What's Wrong With WA?

yeah whatever, I know you blindly believe, and that's your right,

davsgold wrote:yeah whatever, I know you blindly believe, and that's your right,

You telling anyone they blindly believe
Thanks for the laugh David

From April 30th no quarantine is required for unvaccinated international arrivals to NSW.
From April 28th no quarantine is required for unvaccinated international arrivals to QLD.
From April 17th, the federal govt relaxed the requirement for international arrivals to be covid tested prior to arrival.

Domestically, all travelers regardless of vaccination status can enter NSW, VIC, QLD, SA, NT, and the ACT.

Let's hope WA is added to this list and the backward WA govt changes its entry requirements soon for both domestic and international travelers to reflect covid reality. Perhaps the penny will drop now that Mcgowan and his family members have caught covid despite being double/triple vaccinated.

Firefly; being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting covid.
What it does do, is reduce the severity of symptoms which intern reduces hospital admission and saves lives.

cheers moredeep

Hi Moredeep, are you sure?

Check out the review of this UK govt data. It suggests that ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) is occurring.

Additionally, I personally know five people who have likely suffered from the jabs. Four have had 3 jabs of mRNA and the other 2. Recipients of the three jabs: two have recently had a stroke, one now has a fast growing cancer that was formally slow-growing and the other has a permanent pain in the upper arm injection site as well as swollen lymph glands on one side of the neck. The double jab recipient has had swollen lymph glands for approx 3 months on both sides of the neck. Several of the silenced/canceled doctors I read/listen to have been warning of these possible consequences amongst others. I now have natural immunity after catching a mild dose of omicron and recovering within 7 days. Just got to avoid or manage the shedding.

I wish you well.

Firefly.

Side affects are part and parcel with most medications/injections/vaccines, side affects have been around for eons for a lot of meds- most people accept this do they not?
2 years into this world pandemic which is not over [over 5.2 million cases of covid this year alone in Australia and it's only April  ]
These vaccines have never been touted as cure all [full protection ] for covid , this was your presumption was it not?
There may be vaccines in the future that will give a near 100% protection against covid ?, & lets hope so for everyone's sake


cheers   moredeep

Even one of the world best, safest and most trusted drugs that changed the course of medicine last century is still causing side effects today.
I googled this.

How many deaths does penicillin cause?
Penicillin and its derivatives are the commonest cause of drug-induced anaphylaxis, accounting for some 500 deaths per year in the United States.

Every day that we are alive firefly is a risk to ones health, so time to have a drink and a ciggy, oh hang on they have side effects that can cause death

Don't worry be happy


cheers moredeep

moredeep wrote:Even one of the world best, safest and most trusted drugs that changed the course of medicine last century is still causing side effects today.
I googled this.

How many deaths does penicillin cause?
Penicillin and its derivatives are the commonest cause of drug-induced anaphylaxis, accounting for some 500 deaths per year in the United States.

Every day that we are alive firefly is a risk to ones health, so time to have a drink and a ciggy, oh hang on they have side effects that can cause death

Don't worry be happy


cheers   moredeep

That is of the ones being treated with Penicillin and its derivatives most people do not require it in a given year in USA, but when they do it's a life saver.

moredeep wrote:Firefly; being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting covid.
What it does do, is reduce the severity of symptoms which intern reduces hospital admission and saves lives.

cheers   moredeep

that is not what was claimed in the government documents and the fizer docs at the beginning

it clearly states the word "prevent" and the dictionary says that it means "keep (something) from happening"

this doc is from the government TGA website so it has the be true

And true it is GR84UMR, but lets not misinterpret "to prevent corona virus "disease", which can & does lead to "severe acute respiratory syndrome", decreasing the proper functioning, of individual organ body parts. Prevent, as in prevent the majority of people from contracting the "severity" of the disease side of covid-19 & or dying from such.
Coming down with the full force or severity of the disease side of covid-19, is what is considered life threatening leading to death, not the severity of covid-19 contraction.
The most unfortunate thing here is that, this world wide pandemic struck quick & fast, leaving everyone, (including that of doctors/scientists) in a panic, in order to come up with something fast in way of prevention or correction, leaving man little time for proper testing/analysis of the covid-19 vaccines on the masses over the "years & not months" for the proper understanding of any side effects caused by such vaccines.
Now I'm not on here to justify someone wanting to take the vaccines for covid-19 or not (each to their own), only to say that these are some of the issues we face or have faced today.
Moredeep is not wrong in what he states, for which vaccine does one know of today, that is 100% free of side effects & safe for use on everyone?
Just because one gets vaccinated for the common flue, doesn't prevent one contracting the flue, days, weeks or months later. It just prevents a majority of people that are vaccinated for the flue, not dying from what the medical profession considers as, the more dangerous types of flue.

Kon

the answer is yes and no to what you say Kon

fizer knew exactly what the adverse side effect were in there pre trials, you know the data they wanted locked away for 75 years that the court ordered released

you really need to read it, then tell your forum members that it was safe and effective

this is not a vaccine at all, as the definition of a vaccine is to vaccinate, this is nothing more than an experimental trial treatment which does not even effectively treat nor prevent

Interesting. So if it is as you say it is, then can you tell me, why would not every nations government, together with the worlds medical profession, not first insist on knowing all about these vaccines & or their probable efficacy towards covid-19, or full side effects, prior to spending billions of dollars of tax payers money, at the detriment of world economies, on vaccines that simply serve no purpose at all to this virus?
BTW, the forum members on here, are more than capable of researching & reading up on things for themselves (they certainly don't need me to guide them) & the only person on here, telling us all that the vaccines are not safe for use for the prevention of death after having contracted covid-19 is you.

Kon

Kon61gold wrote:Interesting. So if it is as you say it is, then can you tell me, why would not every nations government, together with the worlds medical profession, not first insist on knowing all about these vaccines & or their probable efficacy towards covid-19, or full side effects, prior to spending billions of dollars of tax payers money, at the detriment of world economies, on vaccines that simply serve no purpose at all to this virus?

Kon

well first you need to understand why fizer wanted their initial trial data locked away for 75 years then you might begin to understand the rest of your questions as to why the other things happened

could it be something to do with money and control when fizer knew right from the start exactly what these experimental trial tests outcomes were

So it basically comes through to me as all the medical sciences/professions of this world, including that of every government, were absolutely naïve to allow themselves to be conned with the biggest scam of all time, throwing the world into disarray & parting with $trillions in order to save lives & get things back under control quick & not one governing official or that of any of the worlds medical profession, new jack about the effectiveness or short/long term repercussions of covid-19 vaccines, in order to prevent such things from happening?
Instead, the world were more than happy to part with $trillions of dollars pushing economies to the brink of bankruptcy/destruction & all for the sake of a vaccine that does little if anything at all towards the prevention of people dying from covid-19? Is there no shame left in this world?  
Members take note, this thread will soon be moved to the more appropriate thread title under "Off Topic Discussion".  

Kon

well when the company making the product also does the testing of the experimental trial then hides the data and tries to have it locked away for 75 years this should ring alarm bells and red flags

the truth is slowly coming out like this report from the Couirer - Mail

"From Courier-Mail, quoting Graham Turner, head of Flight Centre after government Covid restrictions gutted his company & cost tens of thousands of employees to lose their livelihood.
“The thought of dropping all those restrictions will show our government action over Covid over the past two years has not been the right action,” he said.
“Our treatment of Covid has been vastly overdone.”
Flight Centre managing director Graham Turner has hit out at state and federal governments over their Covid-19 management – questioning why there was a desire to remove restrictions as infections rose.
Nationally, there were more than 370,228 active cases on Friday including 43,377 in Queensland, according to federal health authorities. This was the same day the NSW government scrapped isolation rules for close contacts as well as vaccination requirements for key workforces.
From April 28 in Queensland there will be no quarantine requirements for asymptomatic close contacts and no quarantine requirements for unvaccinated international arrivals.
“We have probably the highest Covid infections in Queensland and yet there’s serious thought to dropping all the restrictions,” Mr Turner said.
Shows govts’ Covid mismanagement for what it is - an absurd, deceitful, hurtful waste to control people"

GR84UMR wrote:the answer is yes and no to what you say Kon

fizer knew exactly what the adverse side effect were in there pre trials, you know the data they wanted locked away for 75 years that the court ordered released

you really need to read it, then tell your forum members that it was safe and effective

this is not a vaccine at all, as the definition of a vaccine is to vaccinate, this is nothing more than an experimental trial treatment which does not even effectively treat nor prevent  

According to who. Some anonymous scaremongering knob on Facebook, bitchute or the like?
For starters Pfizer never wanted the documents "locked away" for 75 years. Pfizer openly & freely provided them to Government agencies such as the TGA.
The court case in the USA was an anti vax group against the FDA to release those documents publicly not against Pfizer. The FDA stated in court that to review each document correctly prior to public release would take 75 years using their current review process. They were ordered by the court to speed that up considerably & rightly so.
This information is easily obtained from reports on the court case v the FDA.

Secondly these documents do not list adverse events caused by the vaccine. The documents list adverse events after taking the vaccine (not necessarily caused by the vaccine). These adverse events are used as a vaccine baseline against normal expected adverse events/illnesses baselines over a specific period i.e. it compares adverse events after taking the vaccine to what would normally be expected without taking the vaccine over a similar timeframe. The comparisons, in the vast majority of cases, showed no increase in adverse events after vaccine compared to normal no vaccine periods. That is why agencies such as the TGA & FDA, who know how to properly read & interpret the data, found no indication or reason that the vaccines aren't safe.
The misinformation circus, that doesn't read or interpret the data correctly, of course misrepresented what the documents are in fact saying in order to continue the anti vax agenda.
If you had read any of them you should know this.
The documents are now freely available & many scientists + medical professionals have written about why the vaccines are deemed safe from that data. Also freely available to read.
Thirdly those that use the misrepresentation of those documents for anti vax scaremongering agendas don't tell you that the studies included in the documents also used placebo test groups i.e. no vaccine given. This is a standard clinical trial process.
These placebo groups, that received no vaccine, also recorded numerous adverse events including deaths after receiving a placebo. How do you explain that?

with all due respect mr mbasko there are plenty that will not agree with the way you read the fizer docs, that they did want locked away for 75 years, not the spin you interpret for it in your post, and there was very damning information in the fizer trial test report, and anyone can google it and read it for themselves and draw there own conclusions

GR84umr, If anyone can google it & read up on it for themselves, then let each person make up their own minds & decide for themselves, on whether to take, continue to take, or not take the covid-19 vaccines at all, for who are we to tell anyone different?
As for the governments mismanagement of things what's new? Mis-management of tax payers funds were happening from the beginning of government introduction, not alone now through unprecedented times/occurrences.
As for the dropping of all restrictions, well the government/s figured enough people by now have been vaccinated in the hope of bringing the economy safely back on track, before any further poverty/hunger hits, in way of recession/depression & rightly so.
If governing officials could have predicted what were to take place, before it took place, then I'm quite sure they'd be the last ones to borrow/spend $billions of dollars on the population of Australia, in the hope of keeping people safe from covid-19.
Before covid-19 struck, governing officials would think 10 times before investing minimum amounts (not alone maximum) in hospitals, schools or healthcare, not alone go out of their way to borrow a trillion dollars for the safety & well being of Australia's population, due to covid-19.   
Besides, where has anyone ever herd of a government anywhere in the world, that were prepared to completely ruin/destroy its own economy/wealth, for the sole purpose of controlling its own population? A healthy vibrant economy with plenty of money going round, is what gets things moving & makes the world go round, not the other way round.
 
Kon

A review of pre / post pandemic actuary data out of the US insurance industry for all to chew on.

"An Indiana-based life insurance company is expressing concern over a substantial rise in deaths in adults eighteen to sixty-four years old in 2021 that cannot be explained simply by covid infections themselves. OneAmerica group of financial companies, a $100 billion insurance company headquartered in Indianapolis since 1877, said: “there has been a 40% increase in death rates for 18- to 64-year-old individuals across the U.S., when comparing Q3 [third quarter] 2021 data to pre-pandemic data from the same period in 2019.”

....“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business—not just at OneAmerica,” Davison said during an online news conference, according to the article. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

...."Using actual CDC reported death totals, 2019 (pre-pandemic) recorded 172,000 deaths during that three-month period. CDC data from Q3 2021 shows 250,000 actual deaths (or a 45% increase over the baseline expectation) for this age group, typically the working age population. Of that total, 50,600 were attributed by the CDC to COVID."

So what exactly are you trying to say Firefly, wake up Australia.
Nowhere have I read that there weren't any deaths directly related to or from an adverse reaction caused by the covid-19 vaccinations.
Besides, as of April 20 2022 the number of Americans fully vaccinated (double dosed) are 219 million with 97.1 million having received a booster dose.
How many more would the number of death rates here in Australia be without any form of covid-19 vaccination?

Kon

i think you need to stop looking through rose tinted glasses

Kon61gold wrote:GR84umr, If anyone can google it & read up on it for themselves, then let each person make up their own minds & decide for themselves, on whether to take, continue to take, or not take the covid-19 vaccines at all, for who are we to tell anyone different?

exactly and i never said any different, just read the reports and consider the data and make up your own mind, if people want to be in an experimental test trial which it still is then that is there business

Kon61gold wrote:So what exactly are you trying to say Firefly, wake up Australia.
Nowhere have I read that there weren't any deaths directly related to or from an adverse reaction caused by the covid-19 vaccinations.
Besides, as of April 20 2022 the number of Americans fully vaccinated (double dosed) are 219 million with 97.1 million having received a booster dose.

Kon  

Possibly Kon, like you said yourself, each to their own. I am just posting information that readers will likely not find in the mainstream media due to silencing/canceling. Readers can do what they will with the information. I think you will agree however, being more informed helps one make better decisions. The wash has yet to finish and will likely take several years yet.

Kon61gold wrote:How many more would the number of death rates here in Australia be without any form of covid-19 vaccination?

I'll try and get back to you on this if I can find some reliable analysis and data.

You mean 2 years of covid-19 going around & still not a scrap of reliable evidence as to the data given out by the worlds countries Firefly? Seriously? Yet GR84UMR has managed to dig up proof beyond doubt, as to the reasons why one should reconsider taking up the vaccines.
Better looking through rose tinted glasses than being completely blind to the overall facts/figures given out by the worlds countries GR84umr
The facts & figures for each country are what they are & it is up to each & every individual to do their own research, before making a conscious decision as to whether or not, take the covid-19 vaccine.
As for any stats been put out there by ATAGI or that of the U.S. Food & Drug Administration of America are to be taken with a grain of salt, for  what do they know, for we (from a non medical/science background) know far better hey?
No matter how much research one does on any vaccine, no one can guarantee it as 100% safe for all to be given.
Bottom line is that there's risk in any vaccine we decide to take & it all depends on how each individuals system reacts to it or not at the time of administration.

Kon  

well you don't need to be a rocket scientist or a mathematician to read the numbers supplied by the USA government CDC data which is current to see that the higher the experimental trial tests that the country has received the higher the covid infection rates are, and if this experimental trial  was working it should be getting less and less not more and more

"Reported Cases
As of April 20, 2022, the current 7-day moving average of daily new cases (42,605) increased 35.3% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (31,495). A total of 80,648,481 COVID-19 cases have been reported in the United States as of April 20, 2022."

it is all there to read, not from doggy unscrupulous websites but from the CDC governments own website
wwwcdcgov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

just put in a couple of the dots to get the link to work apparently a new member cant post links for awhile go figure

GR84UMR wrote:well you don't need to be a rocket scientist or a mathematician to read the numbers supplied by the USA government CDC data which is current to see that the higher the experimental trial tests that the country has received the higher the covid infection rates are, and if this experimental trial  was working it should be getting less and less not more and more

"Reported Cases
As of April 20, 2022, the current 7-day moving average of daily new cases (42,605) increased 35.3% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (31,495). A total of 80,648,481 COVID-19 cases have been reported in the United States as of April 20, 2022."

The increase in new cases is due to the increased prevalence of the BA.2.12.1 sub variant which appears to be the most infectious covid variant. The increase in cases is small compared to the earlier peak around Dec. Hospitalisations and deaths remain low despite the rising infection rates with the BA.2.12.1 sub variant, so vaccination is doing its job!

GR84UMR wrote:

Very good news GR84UMR, do you have a date for when these border entry requirements will be dropped?

Update:

this Friday 29/4/2022 if I am not mistaken!

Cheers,

Firefly.

yes Firefly this Friday 29/4/2022 at 12.00 am (midnight)

this is the link the to announcement
wwwdotwatoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-health-minister-to-make-covid-19-announcement-20220426-p5ag8v.html

remove the word dot after the www and replace it with . and the link will work

Firefly wrote:there has been a 40% increase in death rates for 18- to 64-year-old individuals across the U.S

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/11/blog-posting/no-covid-19-vaccines-arent-responsible-increase-de/

Also the percentage of the USA vaccinated x 2 doses is low at only 66%.
"Overall, 218,907,165 people or 66% of the population are considered fully vaccinated"
That doesn't make sense that vaccination is the cause of any illness increase with such a comparatively low percentage of the population vaccinated? As stated in the link it's more likely any increases are from Covid itself, especially in the unvaccinated population.

As a comparison Australia is ~95% fully vaccinated.
"Ischaemic heart disease
Ischaemic heart disease is the leading cause of death in Australia. The category includes acute conditions such as myocardial infarction and chronic conditions such as coronary atherosclerosis.

13,878 deaths were certified by a doctor as being due to ischaemic heart disease (IHD) during 2021.
This is 1,220 deaths (8.8%) below the 2015-19 average, but is 2.0% higher than the 13,609 deaths certified as being due to IHD in 2020.

Deaths due to IHD have been decreasing over time."

So why is it Mr Misinformation that with a much higher percentage of the Australian population vaccinated in comparison to the good 'ol US of A are we seeing an 8.8% decrease from 2015-2019 pre-covid times. Does this mean for Australians that the vaccinations are preventing heart disease? Of course not but maybe the vaccine companies could claim it  

Your "news source" is once again full of misinformation & misrepresentation of data. Facts elude them.

mbasko wrote:

Firefly wrote:there has been a 40% increase in death rates for 18- to 64-year-old individuals across the U.S

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/11/blog-posting/no-covid-19-vaccines-arent-responsible-increase-de/

Also the percentage of the USA vaccinated x 2 doses is low at only 66%.
"Overall, 218,907,165 people or 66% of the population are considered fully vaccinated"
That doesn't make sense that vaccination is the cause of any illness increase with such a comparatively low percentage of the population vaccinated? As stated in the link it's more likely any increases are from Covid itself, especially in the unvaccinated population.

As a comparison Australia is ~95% fully vaccinated.
"Ischaemic heart disease
Ischaemic heart disease is the leading cause of death in Australia. The category includes acute conditions such as myocardial infarction and chronic conditions such as coronary atherosclerosis.

13,878 deaths were certified by a doctor as being due to ischaemic heart disease (IHD) during 2021.
This is 1,220 deaths (8.8%) below the 2015-19 average, but is 2.0% higher than the 13,609 deaths certified as being due to IHD in 2020.

Deaths due to IHD have been decreasing over time."

So why is it Mr Misinformation that with a much higher percentage of the Australian population vaccinated in comparison to the good 'ol US of A are we seeing an 8.8% decrease from 2015-2019 pre-covid times. Does this mean for Australians that the vaccinations are preventing heart disease? Of course not but maybe the vaccine companies could claim it  

Your "news source" is once again full of misinformation & misrepresentation of data. Facts elude them.

Oh, of course, it’s the unvaccinated that account for the 40% increase in deaths. Silly me, why did I not think of that! Instead, I chose to consider and note the findings of a US$100 billion US insurance company that compiled their data from companies that offer life insurance to their employees, many of which had vaccine mandates in place as a condition of employment.

I guess I’ll also have to dismiss the other medical research/papers highlighting the possible increase in cardiological disease, amongst others, associated with the mRNA vaccines, unless of course the unvaccinated are the cause.

Simple solutions are the best solutions don’t you think?