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Post  adrian ss on Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:14 am

The fires are truly tragic this year and when you look at the locations closely, many of them seem to have started close to fire trails. Makes you wonder how many were deliberately lit?

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These are between ACT and Batemans Bay.
Properties are being lost on the coast.
I wonder what foul folau has to say about these fires. He seems to have gone quiet since he got his 8 mill pay out.
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Post  davsgold on Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:37 am

adrian ss wrote:I wonder what foul folau has to say about these fires. He seems to have gone quiet since he got his 8 mill pay out.

Ha Ha, you may not agree with what he says/said, but he obviously has the right to say it, as Rugby Australia realize and backed down apologizes, and even say they don't know why it he was sacked over it, and payed him a big settlement, obvious they didn't want it to go to court. Laughing

Really, so why do players that are convicted of drug and bashing and other bad behavior are still allowed to play, NRL and Rugby and most other sports, well it's because if they were all banned there would not be many left. Laughing
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Post  delapan on Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:25 am

Hear hear dave
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Post  Alan WA on Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:28 am

Qantas, the main sponser had their say...
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Post  adrian ss on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:03 pm

davsgold wrote:
adrian ss wrote:I wonder what foul folau has to say about these fires. He seems to have gone quiet since he got his 8 mill pay out.

Ha Ha, you may not agree with what he says/said, but he obviously has the right to say it, as Rugby Australia realize and backed down apologizes, and even say they don't know why it he was sacked over it, and payed him a big settlement, obvious they didn't want it to go to court. Laughing  

Really, so why do players that are convicted of drug and bashing and other bad behavior are still allowed to play, NRL and Rugby  and most other sports, well it's because if they were all banned there would not be many left. Laughing  

We all have the right to say what ever we like....Try getting away with it on the forum!!??

Trouble with foul Folau is that he grossly insulted fire victims including people and innocent animals and told them they were being punished by God for Govs decision to allow abortions and gay marriage and homosexual acts. Do ya reckon that the animals and birds etc knew about that and it is a fair bet that a lot of the people "Being Punished" had no clue at all.
Only a totally brain washed ignorant moron with an IQ of 70 (if he is lucky) would suggest such a thing and stoop to making such statements to the public at a time of incredible tragedy and grief. .... Maybe he should go to the owners of the burnt out farms and houses and say it to their faces and see how he fairs.
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Post  davsgold on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:33 pm

To true adrian ss, my main point was a lot of high profile sports people get away with plenty, and after serving there penalties, seem to end up getting rewarded for there actions, jobs in the media as commentators is just one example.

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Post  moredeep on Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:36 pm

Be nice if he donated a few million to the fire victims family's; especially those who lost loved ones.

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Post  adrian ss on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:25 pm

Well he could not do that because it would go against his feeble minded fundamentalist interpretation of the bible....He would be aiding and abetting people who, if he believes in the  Bible, should be put to death. What he overlooks is the fact that these people enduring this tragedy are the people who put food and veg on our tables who's lives are totally bound up in keeping themselves alive and their farms viable and who have zero time to be thinking about stupid laws being introduced by our Gov.
F. F is a complete dolt.
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Post  moredeep on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:11 pm

AGREE.

Back to the fires now,stay safe if you're living in these area's ,get out if you have to.


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Post  adrian ss on Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:46 pm

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Hey F.F Why don't you do something useful with your life and get out there and join the volunteer fire fighters instead of raving like a medievil lunatic.

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Post  adrian ss on Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:34 am

While all of NSW is on a total fire ban the ACT and its little bit of cordoned off section of NSW is not. Does the fire dept think that this bit of dirt and trees is different to the rest of NSW.
It is a tinder box here just waiting for a pyro to drop a match or cig butt somewhere. Just a mater of time. pale
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Post  Kon61gold on Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:13 pm

Forget about the government rhetoric & or the ravings of one man Adrian, for whats been said & done is done. It is more important now, for governing authorities as well as the people, to concentrate on doing what ever we can, in helping the less fortunate, who got caught up in all this tragedy. Sad  
Pointing the finger & arguing amongst ourselves as for who's to blame, does not help solve the immediate problems/issues at hand.

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Post  adrian ss on Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:44 pm

Yes and no Kon.
When we get a new super detector that the manufacturer claims is the ultimate machine for gold finding and it is found to have faults , the first thing to happen is people complain about it to the manufacturer. If they did not complain then the faults would be swept under the rug and we would be made to believe that the detector is fine and up to specs and nothing would be done to correct the problems.
So it is with anything; If nobody makes people aware of problems and faults the problems will continue unabated
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Post  granite2 on Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:09 pm

While these fires, like all fires, are tragic I hate the way the media portrays them. Every day they are said to be "unprecedented" and more numerous than ever, hotter than ever and I even saw one TV personality claim that when these fires went through nothing was left all was destroyed and nothing would ever grow there again.

Then there are those blaming the fire on the government for not allowing more fuel reduction burning. While this can be true in some cases it is not the federal governments fault it is the local councils that sanction reduction burns.

The dumbest statements are those that blame the government for not doing enough to reduce climate change and these fires are a result.

Unfortunately a great deal of this rubbish taken on board and actually believed by those who haven't lived through incredible disasters such as the 1983 fires that burned almost two thousand homes and killed 117 people, not to mention the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of livestock and wildlife that died as a result. But the forest grew back, as it always does.

The one constant through all these current fires is that it isn't so much farmland that is being burned but forests. Forests where more and more people insist on living surround by tree right up to, and overhanging their roofs. It's a great lifestyle until a fire comes along.

I remember seeing the fires around Sydney a few years back. The airial shots showed houses perched on the edge of a steep ridge all were burned out but every house had a swimming pool full of water that could have been easily used in a sprinkler system with a petrol or diesel powered fire-pump over the house.

During the 1983 fires one couple fireproofed their home in the forest by cutting trees back from their home, installing a sprinkler system and building a fireproof bunker. They saved the lives of seven of their neighbours whose homes burned to the ground. Those same neighbours had earlier accused them of being fire obsessed and a nut.

As for Israel Folau, what he said means nothing. When HIV arrived thousands said it was God's punishment people will always say things like that, but unlike some religious fundementalists Israel Folau wasn't calling for people to be slaughtered.

Fires will always be part of our country as will droughts and flooding rain. We just have to live with it.
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Post  Reg Wilson on Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:50 pm

I'm with you on this one Adrian. Fundamental God botherers of any persuasion are a worry. Our PM is one. His answer to all is 'thoughts and prayers". What happened to separation of church and state?
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Post  adrian ss on Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:35 am

Yes Reg. Thoughts and prayers are the cheapest and least effective way of solving any problem and these fires whether they be in virgin forest or populated regions are causing heart-break, anguish pain and grief and to tell people living in these areas that they are being punished by a God of any kind for the actions of particular  group of people is beyond comprehension..I guess the fact that F.F is confining his ravings to the inside of a church reduces the likelihood of him affecting anything.
Granite2. I do agree that reporters always try to make a situation story seem to be far more dramatic and terrible than it really is. These turds turn my stomach; but in the case of these current fires the situation is bloody grim


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Post  philip.j.thompson on Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:36 pm

Forests remain closed for the immediate future so please stay out of them. Up around Drake detectorists and panners have been going in illegally as forests have closed. Heard one person apprehended so far. Not a good look for our hobby. Also Tinga and Torrington  SCA, under control of National Parks but where fossicking is allowed are closed until March 29 2020. For info on whats closed and open check out Forestry NSW and National Parks NSW.
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Post  butch on Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:40 pm

I prefer to not trivialize the bush fires.
If you want to discuss; rugby league, Qantas, religion, politics or anything else start a new post please.
People are suffering.

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Post  Reg Wilson on Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 pm

butch, of course people are suffering, and we need more than 'thoughts and prayers' to fight fires.
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Post  butch on Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:54 pm

By all means let's discuss the fires and how to help.
Start a new topic for the other stuff... that's all i am trying to say and show some respect.

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Post  adrian ss on Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:23 am

How would you feel if all you had was a garden hose aye pale

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Post  butch on Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:45 pm

We all sympathize Adrian, sadly a garden hose is all most of us have.
So how can the rest of us help or at least suggest? "I'm no legal eagle" but perhaps a class action by the victims against those responsible for allowing the horrendous build up of fuel on the forest floor for starters.

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Post  adrian ss on Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:36 pm

There seems little doubt that many fires spread through the undergrowth but they also leap across the tree tops for kilometres and many of the fires started deep in rough country so by the time access is gained they are up and running wild.

A problem with hazard clearing and back burning will always be that these fires can and do get away from you due to wind changes or poor fire control management.

I recall a few years ago during a dry spell that some hazard reduction burning was being undertaken in a close by nature reserve. When I questioned the logic of doing such a thing on a day of high fire danger and in tinder dry and blustery conditions I was told "Don't worry about it mate we are fire control experts we know what we are doing" and I thought Good luck with that line of thought mate and got the hell out of there. Turns out it did get away from them for a short while.

Where Fire bugs / Pyromaniacs are concerned a life time jail sentence for attempted murder or at least manslaughter sounds appropriate .
Where are you most likely to find a Fire Bug? In a fire fighting service

Having to ask permission to remove fire hazard  trees from your own property or to remove branches that are at risk of falling and endangering property and lives  is insane.
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Post  Reg Wilson on Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:33 pm

Butch, your assumption that these fires are due to a build up of fuel at ground level, and the inference that this could be avoided by controlled burns is simplistic at best. Do you really think that the thousands of square kilometers that these fires cover could ever be reduction burned? Even if this were possible, and it is obvious that it is not, I have seen fire race through areas that were control burned only a couple of years previous.
It is looking more and more likely that we are entering a new climate age where very little can be done on the huge scale necessary to avert such fires.
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Post  butch on Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:46 pm

The country is simply too vast to do control burns everywhere. I went detecting at Menzies in what i considered to be a promising area to detect and found myself surrounded by bush. I just got out of there quick just in case.
Control burns are undertaken every year up in the Kimberley by paid aboriginal rangers. These guys just go about their business with no fuss, just great.

Lightning strikes take care of the more remote areas that's ok, it's always been that way but the build up of fuel in habitable areas on the fringes of suburbia is not ok.
i agree, home owners who cannot even cut down a tree without being fined or farmers who cannot manage their properties need our support. People with properties in the hills around Perth cannot get house insurance because of where they live because they can't clear the fuel , something is wrong.
Remove or amend the environmental protection act otherwise a class action is needed.

PS Reg... climate change is crap but please start another post on that one.

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Post  moredeep on Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:53 pm

please no reply to that one Reg,as stated before butch this is a gold forum,there are other forums that pertain to specific topics.
We're all in this together, lets support each other.
Don't let this post get out of control Smile

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Post  butch on Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:05 pm

moredeep wrote:please no reply to that one Reg,as stated before butch this is a gold forum,there are other forums that pertain to specific topics.
We're all in this together, lets support each other.
Don't let this post get out of control Smile

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I agree 100% "moredeep" this is a gold/prospecting forum. However this topic is 're: NSW bush fires'.
All of my replies have been on the bush fires...please read all the replies from the top.

Tom.

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Post  moredeep on Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:39 pm

From time to time Tom we let a off topic post continue,it can at times deviate from the original subject matter.
As a mod we try and steer it back onto topic,the main aim is to keep it respectful and civil without baiting anyone for a response.
If it gets unruly then we have no choice in shutting down the topic.
Bush fires affect all us sometimes in our lives,it's bloody scary stuff being in the path of one,discussing certain aspects of a bush fire helps us debrief to some extent .


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Post  Kon61gold on Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:40 pm

I do agree with what you'v posted up so far Tom, but lets not start a new debate on climate change.
Like moredeep has stated, its all been discussed/debated on here before & one can say, in a fiery so to speak manner. Shocked Q35

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Post  adrian ss on Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:12 am

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