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Oh, is that what you think I'm doing Uncle Bob. I only ask members to keep politics on this forum to a minimum & not turn it to a full blown political war, but I see that's not good enough for you. I didn't come on here to debate it with you Uncle Bob, I simply asked for people to respect the wishes of management. You wish to discuss heavy politics, (like religion) then discuss them elsewhere.

Cheers Kon.

Thanks kon,it certainly is a fine line between pleasure and pain,especially in this current climate.
unfortunately it's like a whirlpool and we tend to get sucked into it ,like it or not. I've been dog paddling dam hard not to get sucked right down to the bottom.
In saying that there is a very interesting article on page 32 of today's AGE newspaper,worth a look to see what we might be up against.
As I'm fairly new to this forum I'm always happy to be guided by your experience in forum etiquette

cheers moredeep

Kon61gold wrote:Oh, is that what you think I'm doing Uncle Bob. I only ask members to keep politics on this forum to a minimum & not turn it to a full blown political war, but I see that's not good enough for you. I didn't come on here to debate it with you Uncle Bob, I simply asked for people to respect the wishes of management. You wish to discuss heavy politics, (like religion) then discuss them elsewhere.

Cheers Kon.      

Ok Kon, moredeep and wombat.

Let's not talk about these issues.
Let them just take away our freedoms.
Let them just run all over us.
The rallies these days aren't what they used to be.
It's a great time to get together, have a coffee and talk about things. Have another coffee or brunch, talk some more (moredeep) go have a dig (Wombat) feel good about yourself (Kon) and then all goes back to normal.
Well, in the meantime, nothing's been done.
Times have changed.


Then there will be no prospecting, fossicking, bush users groups, no detector shops, no more forum.
Only memories of the past.

Your quite right uncle bob being grannys at a tea party rally wont help the cause.

thegoldman24 wrote:Your quite right uncle bob being grannys at a tea party rally wont help the cause.

Have been kicked off this site before for bringing up SEGREGATION and an opinion.So where are ((WE.THE PUBLIC. THE VOTERS. mentioned.))

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/180621-Historic-Treaty-Legislation-Passes-In-Victoria.pdf
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Consistent  with  the  policy  of  self determination the Bill  does  not specify who Treaty  is  with  or  what  it  will  be about
. Rather it requires an independent Aboriginal Representative Body and the Victorian Government to work
(((( in partnership ))))
to facilitate future treaty negotiations.

Hi uncle Bob,I'm not sure what you want us to do at these rallies?,would you like a full blown riot,lets attack the police or something?let off some sparklers??
All I can do is attend these rallies and support the cause.
I have written a 3 page letter to the premier,environmental minister and local member.
I will be meeting with the local member soon to discuss my concerns.
Not sure what the rest of you are doing but I feel I'm doing my bit ,if that's not good enough,well I'm sorry.
p.s if you have any suggestions what I should be doing feel free to advise NICELY

cheers moredeep

Moredeep.

All in saying is that we are barking up the wrong tree.

We need to tackle the politicians to get rid of the United Nations membership, this is the cause of all this.

Having rallies and telling them to leave the forests alone will not do it.

Thanks uncle Bob,I,m not sure how to tackle this united nation thing.
I'll raise with my local member.
if you can direct or suggest to me any links or literature on this matter it would be much appreciated.
p.s i just googled united nations forest forum,and yup it looks to be a bit of a scary monster

cheers moredeep

The Agenda 21 program is a guide to achieving the UN's version of politically controlled ecological sustainability. Legally, Agenda 21 is implemented in Australia under the 1992 Intergovernmental Agreement on the Environment and the National Strategy for Ecologically Sustainable Development (ESD).

UNCLE BOB wrote:The Agenda 21 program is a guide to achieving the UN's version of politically controlled ecological sustainability. Legally, Agenda 21 is implemented in Australia under the 1992 Intergovernmental Agreement on the Environment and the National Strategy for Ecologically Sustainable Development (ESD).

Basically, this is a guise to make it sound so good.

The real agenda is.......... """CONTROL THE PEOPLE"""

So what exactly do you suggest all concerned bush users do, apart from follow the recommendations of the PMAV Uncle Bob? Tackle the politicians in what way, through a game of gridiron in order to get our message through?  Is there not enough political jargon fed to us mushrooms, through the media on a daily basis, without us quoting or adding on to it?  (its sole purpose, of creating division between people, nothing more)  Something of which I need not between members on this forum. The PMAV & or similar bodies with the same goal in common, have already outlined/expressed their views, to all concerned, as to what would be the best way of getting our message across/through, to the people who hold the power of change. Is this not enough or should we take up a form of anarchy?
Even though it takes only but one man to make a start towards change, real change can only come to fruition, by having the many (regular bush user or not) united through understanding, not just a handful few expressing/protesting their opinions, to the proposed upcoming bush changes.

Kon

Kon, talk to Ollie, the PMAV president.
He has been notified recently on what is really happening.


"THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL"

Moordeep, the Liberal and Labour governments, decided that it was best to keep as much of what is going on with agenda21 agenda2030.Commission for sustainable development, from the Australian people.So if you do not feel that you can be transparent and honest about what is going on.That tells you all you need to know.Why is this information not on the PMAV site ?.The money that goes into the UN agendas each year in Australia is staggering. Maurice Newman is another name to google on the subject.We will not keep access to our bush unless we really understand what we are up against. But as UNCLE BOB said, there real agenda is total control of the people by the 1% elites. Most of our politicians are enabling them.We have been easy pickings for them.

Ok thanks UNCLE BOB PMAV question answered.Thank You.

The Bush User Groups United Petitions being lodged in Parliament today by Louise Stalely and then it is presented to the chamber later in the week to be heard. She was saying that we got over 3000 signatures.
wombat

https://www.facebook.com/LouiseStaleyRipon/videos/935810993257406/?t=15

jeezus christ and holy sheep batman,whats going down here.
i'm open to all ideas in life,give me some time to wrap my little nogging around this one,WARNING it may EXPLODE!!
In the mean time I'll give my all- to supporting the rallies and writing emails to the pollies.

cheers moredeep

I mentioned an article on page 32 of Tuesday age newspaper 24/7/18,it would have been in the Herald sun paper as well.
Title ,Notice of protection of a specified area ,known as the djab wurrung country around Arrarat ,victoria.
This specified area[15/20 klm in length ] is part of the new western highway?
The federal minister has received this application from the traditional owners,the main reason is the protection of trees.
My first question to any one who can answer this, is,
1,who's paying for this application,there's a very large advertisement [many thousand of dollars I'm guessing in the age news paper and other papers.]
2, who's paying for the barrister representing the case? [Susan Phillips, specialist in native title]this wouldn't be cheap?
The weird and ironic thing is, is this application process funded by tax payers money? or is it being funded privately? I doubt it.
3, Why is the federal government letting this happen just prior to a state Victorian election?
4, If this is funded by the federal government why can't the PMAV GET FUNDING FOR OUR CAMPAIGN against any closures of state forest?
I'm guessing the VEAC and DJA DJA WURRUNG APPLICATIONS are fully funded by the tax payer?
The argument says these trees play a part in the well being of the indigenous people,fair enough,but did they know they existed before the highway went through??
One thing I found extremely abhorrent is the use of scare mongering ,it was stated that destroying these TREES BRINGS BAD FORTUNE,that's full blown psychological blackmail,
it may bring bad fortune to the indigenous person who destroys the tree or to a person who believes in superstition.
Anyway food for thought ,Kon if you deem this too political please advise and I shall remove it.

cheers moredeep

Hi Moredeep I can a sure you that it is fully funded by the Tax Payer because the Dja Dja Wurrung got a very big grant from the Government in 2013 when they got the rights as the traditional owners of that area. And more when they were asked to look after, in conjunction with Park Victoria, of all those 6, State, National and Regional Parks in Central Victoria and the Triangle. And still more again to look after the Parks when their Draft report gets passed in Sept by the DELWP minister Lily D'Ambrosio. She only has to sign of on it and it becomes law. It does even have to got to Parliament first to get passed. It can be done behind close doors.
wombat

Thanks Wombat,now that's scary,and especially when we have an environmental minister that appears to have never left the city limits?

cheers moredeep

moredeep wrote:Thanks Wombat,now that's scary,and especially when we have an environmental minister that appears to have never left the city limits?

cheers  moredeep

She did ounce. The PMAV took her and her Secretary out to Slaty Creek Creswick for the day's prospecting. She said she had a great day and learnt a lot about prospecting. We even put on a BBQ for them both. Now she is possibly going to stab us all in the back.
wombat

That's fairly typical wombat,did you give her a burnt snag or something to upset her ?

cheers moredeep

moredeep wrote:That's fairly typical wombat,did you give her a burnt snag or something to upset her ?

cheers moredeep

No mate But wish I did
wombat

It's probably what you didn't give her Wombat, like a large wad of notes in a plain brown paper bag. Have I ever said before that I don't trust pollies no matter what side of the fence they claim to be on?
Rowdy

rowdy wrote:It's probably what you didn't give her Wombat, like a large wad of notes in a plain brown paper bag. Have I ever said before that I don't trust pollies no matter what side of the fence they claim to be on?
Rowdy

AGREE. Should have woke up when THEY dropped the fossicking license from $big$  to around $20 for ten yrs ?.Should have realized something was NQR when a GOV dept pretends to be looking after our interests LOL.Done surreptitiously or shonky avoiding payback one would assume.PREMEDITATED.

((surreptitiously))
in a way that attempts to avoid notice or attention; secretively.
   "Mary surreptitiously slipped from the room"

Wombat wrote:Here is the information for our Bendigo Rally on the 4th August at 11am, Queens Park.
wombat  

Just a reminder this is on next Saturday so Please come along and support us. This rally is the lead up to the big one in Melb. on the following Wednesday the 8th. Remember this is your hobby and your bush we are fighting for.
wombat

went on a pilgrimage just to remind myself what it's all about again.The surprise attack on the diggers at the stockade was a low act by the government of the day.
Well, much hasn't changed, has it?
I hope these pic's inspire.

cheers moredeep

A picture tells a thousand stories. Wish there was much more support.
Well done Moredeep.

MacRob wrote:A picture tells a thousand stories. Wish there was much more support.
Well done Moredeep.

MacRob We are starting to get a lot of support now from a lot of different bush user groups and individuals. But in saying that, the Melb Rally will tell the story and the show of support. That is why we need everyone there on the day. This Rally could make us or break us. Eyes are on us and our future is in everyone hands. In the Bush User Groups United Face Book page we have now over 7730 members. And there was over 3500 signature submitted to Parliament last week by the member of Ripon.
wombat

https://www.standard.net.au/story/5537153/alp-greens-alliance-a-nightmare-for-state/

dougy wrote:https://www.standard.net.au/story/5537153/alp-greens-alliance-a-nightmare-for-state/

Bloody scary. This is more reason to have as many people to our Melb rally as possible to get our message across. "NO More Parks"
wombat