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Post  kon61 on Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:44 am

Adrian,the Minelab pulse detector,technology were always running at their full potential.What Minelab couldn't work out is how to have that full pulse depth/sensitivity potential running at constant peak,through all types of mineralized ground,without the use of what I call "Push/Pull chokes or filters" such as that of "Sensitive Smooth or Enhance (as it was later called) which almost halve the depth by quietening the machine down to an operable level,so that it becomes usable over all types of mineralized ground.Imagine if we could work any of the GPX Series detectors in General,Normal with mono coils,quietly over most mineralized ground conditions? Then we'd have a true beast with almost 50% more depth capability on all targets in general,than what we're currently getting.The powers there,It's always been there from the start,but its neither viable/nor usable over mineralized ground,unless the ground is found to be free of mineralization or benign and we all know that gold is rarely found in or on benign ground. Minelab know that,if they could find a way to maintain maximum pulse depth,without the introduction of all the mumbo jumbo so called "Search Modes" or "timings" which all are aimed at reducing the machines maximum depth pulse rate potential,in order to quieten out this,or smoothen out that,they'd revolutionize detecting as what we know it today.
Garret might have found a way to operate the ATX at maximum,optimum output power,but it is yet to be seen if that power operated by 8AA batteries is good enough to compete with Minelabs GP series detectors not alone the GPXs.

          Cheers Kon.What a Face


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Post  UrbanFox on Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:49 am

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It is not worth the effort to argue with you.
Mate, just because the "Crumpet on a Stick"©®™ might exist doesn't mean it is of any consequence in the big picture. The Gold Snoop also exists.... so what??

Would you like to inform the readers of how many years now the QED has supposedly been on the verge of trouncing Minelab??? Then look at the fact that Minelab was able to step on these blokes because the QED was designed to infringe Minelab's intellectual property, and then, in conjunction with all the waffle that has emanated from the ABC forum, a bloke could be forgiven for becoming a little cynical and humored don't you reckon.

How about how long it's been since the "Beach" QED was announced!!.... and consider the requirements of a beach detector compared to a gold detector.... and still the world awaits. Get real!! You might also ask yourself why the world needs a new "beach" detector, and consider what you think the real goal with this "Beach" detector might actually be!!
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Post  slimpickens on Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:52 am

With the ending of the Iraqi war and the end of the Afghanistan war in sight, the US military pulled the plug on Garrett and cancelled the long contract they had with them. Garrett was left holding upwards of 25,000 mine detecting machines. What to do, what to do? The simple plan arrived at was to pull the guts out of them and fit "casually  modified" Infinium circuitry into the ex mine detector boxes. (Warning generalization coming up), American citizens  like things that look militaristic, they're all a bit gung ho, and these look the goods. As can be seen by the reaction of some on this forum "wow it looks great!". "Looks" being the operative word. Get over it. It's a coin detector. IMHO.
As Narrawa pointed out, if you can collapse the coil shaft and bring the coil that close to the control box, without it going troppo and picking up a signal from the control box.... well, how powerful do you really think it is?


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Post  Guest on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:12 am

G/day kon61.

Yes I agree with pretty much all you have stated.
I was trying to point out that although the GPXs and some earlier ML PIs have big batteries, the extra available power is mainly used up in the signal processing cctry where a lot of people seem to think that the extra power is going into the coil.

It is interesting that the Tesoro Sand shark has no trouble detecting the same size small nugg as the Infinium but has less than Half the Transmitting power.
It does seem though at the moment that when the detector is set up to be sensitive to the small stuff that depth on the deeper larger nuggs is lost and visa versa.
ML have overcome that to a large degree with the GPX series and I sort of have a feeling that the new ATX is going to be hot on the small stuff that is shallow to around 6 inches  and at the same time go deep on the larger nuggs. Being able to geta way with simply using 8 x AAs that give a run time of up to 10 + hours has to be a plus in my book .......If the detection ability has been significantly improved with the ATX.

We will just have to wait and see for somebody out here to give one a try. I think the price will be a barrier when you could purchase a second hand 4000 or 4500 in the same price range.
Personally I donot like the response of the 4500 and 5000 to small gold along with the ground noise in hot ground and if the ATX runs quiet in the extreme ground then that may possibly make it a seller.

In the video the ATX appears to still retain the Infiniums dual tone and I noticed that when the small nugg was being detected that the sweep had to be kept short otherwise the nugg also signaled on the outer coil as well as the inner coil and this created what sounde like a quad tone to me and that would p me off a tad.......Until I got used to it.........Like I had to get used to the Infinium. people do not want to spend time Getting Used to something, they want to switch on and go.

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Post  kon61 on Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:38 pm

Adrian,I couldn't agree with you more in what you have stated. 20% better overall than the Infinium and it be well worth the 3k+ as part of my arsenal based just on versatility alone as a good all rounder. Don't think for one minute that I'm a one eyed Minelab fanatic with blinkers on.Like yourself and all prospecting/metal detectorists in general,have been waiting for a company such as that of Garret,Fisher or whites to give Minelab a run for their money,in metal detector technology.Why they let Minelab get so far ahead with pulse to the point of a monopoly,beats the s**t out of me.Maybe there's a bigger European market out there for the sale of cheap multi-purpose machines by the thousands,than there is in specializing in the development of a detector,superior towards finding gold? What ever the case might be,Minelab is selling left,right and centre,not only in America,but the rest of the world.
Competition is a must for a healthy environment,bringing out some of the best in technology,but a monopoly is the downfall of any society.

         Cheers Kon.What a Face
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