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Post  ARIZONA on Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:02 pm

It is just Garretts land mine detector which has been made for years. Just a new label on it.

http://www.garrett.com/cmerwsite/recon_division.aspx


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Post  Guest on Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:07 pm

ARIZONA wrote:  It is just Garretts land mine detector which has been made for years.  Just a new label on it.

http://www.garrett.com/cmerwsite/recon_division.aspx

I thought it looked very familiar.

Hmm... I hope they're not just selling off unwanted/surplus/outdated stock (or, more seriously, designs)?? cyclops

On the upside, I guess it's perfectly suited to finding all those landmine-sized gold nuggets.

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Post  Guest on Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:44 am

shiraz wrote:It's a powerful beast, it runs off 8 AA batteries.  Q24  Should I sell the 4500?  I am getting tired of digging those 2 foot holes.
Yes You should definitely sell the 45 and upgrade to a 5k cheers  And no, not because you won't be digging as deep holes but cause its the most powerful on the planet. Q11

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Post  UrbanFox on Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:49 am

ARIZONA wrote:  It is just Garretts land mine detector which has been made for years.  Just a new label on it.

http://www.garrett.com/cmerwsite/recon_division.aspx

The new ATX weighs 3/4 pound less than the Recon Pro AML-1000 mine detector, so maybe they took a lot of the good bits out of the AML-1000 to make the ATX :-)
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Post  NuggInOne on Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:30 am

Seems like a sensitive version of a CTX with no discrim (or maybe limited?). A CTX is $2695, so for beaches, unless the ATX goes deeper than a CTX an 17inch combo....

I just watched the video on the Garret site, and the following video that comes in is quite funny Laughing 

Anyway the ATX needs a tone control, it sounds annoyingly high pitched to me

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Post  Narrawa on Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:37 pm

From the website......www.garrett.com/hobbysite/pdfs/garrett_atx_introducing_lowres.pdf

Circuit Type Advanced Pulse Induction
Discrimination Adjustable, 25 settings
Search Modes 2: Motion and Non-Motion
Ground Balance Range From ferrous ground (ironstone)
to saltwater
Audio Threshold Adjustable, 25 settings
Detection Frequency 730 pulses per second, adjustable
Submersion Depth 10 feet (3m)
Sensitivity/Depth Adjustments 13
Electronic Pinpointing YES
Quick Iron Check YES
Standard Searchcoil 10" x 12" PROformance™️ DD
Standard Land Headphones Included; weight 16 oz. (.45 kgs.)
Length (Adjustable) 20" to 68" (.51m - 1.72m)
Total Weight 5.5 lbs. (2.5 kgs.)
Batteries 8 AA (included); rechargeables
also included
Warranty 2 Year, Limited Parts/Labor

Be interesting to have a  fiddle with one before outlaying.scratch
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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:24 pm

Some info on another forum re differences between the new Garrett ATX and the Recon (the military detector it's based on):


"Recon = Non-motion search mode only.    ATX = Motion and non-motion search modes.                 Recon = Tone ID Low for most ferrous.     ATX = 25 setting discrimination & Quick iron ID button (Tone)                   Recon = Mono 8" coil     ATX = New design DD 10x12 coil.  (Giving sensitivity to small targets)                              Recon = 6.25lbs  weight   ATX = 5.5lbs weight               Recon = 7 Sensitivity settings     ATX = 13 Sensitivity settings"]
http://www.detectingscotland.com/index.php?topic=6356.15

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:05 pm

I sent an email to garrett USA asking for some specific information about the ATX and all I got in reply was a link to the ATX teaser video and no other comment.
      Was not impressed.
The dealers here in Australia also know practically nothing about this detector and yet some are already taking orders quoting RTL prices ranging from 3300 to 4000 AUS dollars. ....... Getting off on the wrong foot is Garrett and this detector.
      As a fairly experienced detectorist and gold prospector with 53 years of detecting and gold hunting under my belt plus having written a few detector field tests and having built the occasional detector or two and having worked my way through 40 + different metal detectors,  I took a dim view of being fobbed off to a cheap crap video.

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:07 pm

hi Adrian, fair call bud if they have the vid out they should also have the info to follow suit questions of potential buyers. Sad

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:51 pm

The vid told me 100% nothing.
So it looks like a Recon Pro. It has Motion /No motion. It has a sensitivity control and a disc control.  Well yabba dabba doo! what half decent detector doesn't these days? Rolling Eyes
      An indication of how well it performs in a wide range of ground conditions would have been handy........Waving a bit of gold a few inches from the coil in air was  pointless. So it can signal on a small bit of gold in air. so can my Infinium and a lot of other metal detectors.
      It would have been good to show it punching through a slab of ironstone on the ground and detecting that same small bit of gold as well as it did in the air demo. Lifting a tin box out of a hole in the ground tells me nothing of what the signal on that item was like. It didn't demo the iron disc.
      I am confused? Garrett have been in this game for a long time now and yet when they come up with a new high cost/ high tech metal detector that is aimed squarely at the gold and relic hunting fraternity, they dish up a pre release video that is dead set amateur. Q22 


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Post  CostasDee on Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:54 pm

....but I really like the music in the vid, it was very capturing.... Q03 
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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:11 pm

Capturing! Yeah, maybe like somebody should capture that vid and drag and drop it into a  recycle bin. Sleep 

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:45 pm

At 1.48 on the video clip it looks like Australian landscape... possibly it has been tested here in oz.

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:00 pm

Yes, looks like NQ Explorers were involved with the testing in Australia.

He has some great finds on his site.

http://www.nqexplorers.com/

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:28 pm

SHREEVE wrote:At 1.48 on the video clip it looks like Australian landscape... possibly it has been tested here in oz.
Yes I understand that it or something like it it has been tested here.

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Post  johnycake on Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:43 pm

Here's what NQexplorers say about the rig on the website

"We were privileged to be involved with the Garrett team field testing the new ATX Pulse Induction metal detector in Australia.

This is a fantastic new piece of kit – built to military specifications (note that it is not the AML-1000, it just utilises the same casing). It has been tested and tuned in Australia by the Garrett Engineers, with particular attention to smooth performance in highly mineralized Aussie soils that we typically encounter in our goldfields.
The unique new design of the stock DD provides a really sensitive ‘hot spot’ on the coil for detecting very small gold. All in all a very rugged, quality build that will be great in our goldfields – particularly with the larger 20″ monoloop coil which can cover a lot of ground when prospecting. The unit is well-balanced even with the big coil – it comes with a bungee sling so is very easy to swing.
The ATX is fully waterproof so keep detecting when it is raining – and economical to operate with the 8 AA batteries. It has a built-in speaker or you can use the headphones if you so desire. There will be more videos of the ATX coming soon with further details.
Happy Prospecting Everyone!""

Being a novice detectorist at the moment and mostly hunting coins with my 3030. I am wondering how big the hot spot is on GPX5000's for fine gold. They are quoting the ATX being super sensitive, however is this spot the size of a 10c piece? 50 cent? golf ball?

Can an experienced GPX user fill me in lets say with standard coils?

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Post  Guest on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:57 pm

I watch a vid on NQ explorer web site he needs to stop playing with Garrett's and get onto a minelab what a waste of 20 mins of my life .

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Post  Guest on Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:12 pm

johnycake wrote:Here's what NQexplorers say about the rig on the website

"We were privileged to be involved with the Garrett team field testing the new ATX Pulse Induction metal detector in Australia.

This is a fantastic new piece of kit – built to military specifications (note that it is not the AML-1000, it just utilises the same casing).  It has been tested and tuned  in Australia by the Garrett Engineers, with particular attention to smooth performance in highly mineralized Aussie soils that we typically encounter in our goldfields.
The unique new design of the stock DD provides a really sensitive ‘hot spot’ on the coil for detecting very small gold. All in all a very rugged, quality build that will be great in our goldfields – particularly with the larger 20″ monoloop coil which can cover a lot of ground when prospecting. The unit is well-balanced even with the big coil – it comes with a bungee sling so is very easy to swing.
The ATX is fully waterproof so keep detecting when it is raining – and economical to operate with the 8 AA batteries. It has a built-in speaker or you can use the headphones if you so desire. There will be more videos of the ATX coming soon with further details.
Happy Prospecting Everyone!""

Being a novice detectorist at the moment and mostly hunting coins with my 3030. I am wondering how big the hot spot is on GPX5000's for fine gold. They are quoting the ATX being super sensitive, however is this spot the size of a 10c piece? 50 cent? golf ball?

Can an experienced GPX user fill me in lets say with standard coils?
I'm not experienced but the 'hot spot' on a 5K in fine gold is the whole way around a coil if using a mono. Mono coils send and receive with the same parts of the coil whereas a DD doesn't. Mono's penetrate with a cone shape   And need more overlap than DD. The minelab is nearly twice as good as it nearly cost twice as much Very Happy I'm new to the industry but can tell just by the specs and the fact that garret are trying to do so much with the machine that it can't possibly be anywhere near as good as the 5K. Now minelab please send me the pin-pointer. cheers

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Post  johnycake on Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:21 pm

Well he finds allot of relics with his Garrett's and is obviously happy with them or he is a dealer.. However I don’t see why these testers have not yet posted their findings of the ATX. With pre-orders already being taken... surely they can post they're findings so a prospective buyer can make up their minds.

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Post  Narrawa on Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:11 am

Make suspense your friend...or be one of the first to write a review.Laughing Laughing 

Remember when writing a review tho.....if you bought one and  it falls  below the performance level of a 4k..tell us truthfully so we don't waste our money on one. Dont try to justify your error by telling us its better, you'll come undone and  be frowned upon by those who trusted in your words. If  its sh!t and you done  your doe....tell it like it is and wear it like a new hat. If you find  it to be below par, find it a new home using lines something like this......."selling due to health reason".Laughing Razz You'll be classed as legendary, and  you future word will be taken as gospel.
Or, buy it for me to test....i'll tell it like it is  due to not being out of pocket...and i'll certainly give you a mention in my final report so you gain recognition for your contribution...again gaining legendary status. Thats a win win situation.Laughing 

Any takers.??

PS..There's nothing worse  than reading a review from someone  who is clearly trying to justify his/her expenditure on whats clearly a dud. I would never laugh at anyone who bought one and it failed to meet their expectations....thats  why i have nothing but time for 5k owners, and help them in any way i can to find gold larger than an atom. 

Calm down, i was just kidding about the atom.Laughing ......i meant to say nanomite. LaughingLaughingLaughingVery Happy
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Post  Guest on Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:46 am

Q33 Q33 Q33 Q15 

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Post  Guest on Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:50 pm

The twin coil arangement reminds me a bit of the Whites Dual Field.

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Post  kon61 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:10 pm

TDI Pro series 14.4 lithium ion battery.Garret Infinium L/S 8AA batteries. Tesoro Sand Shark 8 AA batteries.Whites Surf PI Dual Field 8AA batteries.Garret ATX Extreme Pulse 8AA batteries. Garret ATX Extreme Pulse,compact yes.Versatile yes.Able to work in/on a variety of soils/ground or in water,over different types of environments,yes.Ruggedly built to military specs,well,that's yet to be judged by independent,individual unbiased users.Does a machine like this have or serve a purpose within ones arsenal,yes it does,because of what I'v stated above. Expecting or hoping that the Garret ATX Extreme to be at least as good as a 4000,on 8AA batteries,when all the other four struggle to reach the sensitivity and depth on positive gold targets as that of an SD 2200d with compatible coils?  Narrawa,forgive me for what I'm about to say next, Q24 Q25 Q35

         Cheers Kon.What a Face
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Post  Narrawa on Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:38 pm

Narrawa,forgive me for what I'm about to say next,Q24 Q25 Q35 
Forgiven.....it was a long shot.... and i was preying on those who  frequently get caught out on ebay and  the couple who thought the QED was real. Q34

lol! 
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Post  Wantmoregold on Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:46 pm

The QED is real.

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Post  UrbanFox on Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:11 pm

Wantmoregold wrote:The QED is real.
And I'm holding out for the tooth fairy!!
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Post  kon61 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:19 pm

Wantmoregold wrote:The QED is real.
I certainly didn't say that the QED wasn't real,but the longer it stays(for what ever reason),out of production,out of sight,out of the metal detecting market,I hope you don't mind me continuing with what I was saying from my previous post,Q Q24 E Q25 D Q35 

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Post  Wantmoregold on Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:22 pm

UrbanFox wrote:
Wantmoregold wrote:The QED is real.
And I'm holding out for the tooth fairy!!
It is not worth the effort to argue with you.

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Post  Narrawa on Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:26 pm

Wantmoregold wrote:The QED is real.
I know...i walked into the shop yesty and bought one. As i left the shop, i stumbled on the last step and fell. Just before i hit ground zero....i woke up.Shocked  ....dang it!!!Laughing Laughing 

Buy me a one of these new Garretts and i'll make you famous.lol!
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Post  Guest on Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:49 am

kon61 wrote:TDI Pro series 14.4 lithium ion battery.Garret Infinium L/S 8AA batteries. Tesoro Sand Shark 8 AA batteries.Whites Surf PI Dual Field 8AA batteries.Garret ATX Extreme Pulse 8AA batteries. Garret ATX Extreme Pulse,compact yes.Versatile yes.Able to work in/on a variety of soils/ground or in water,over different types of environments,yes.Ruggedly built to military specs,well,that's yet to be judged by independent,individual unbiased users.Does a machine like this have or serve a purpose within ones arsenal,yes it does,because of what I'v stated above. Expecting or hoping that the Garret ATX Extreme to be at least as good as a 4000,on 8AA batteries,when all the other four struggle to reach the sensitivity and depth on positive gold targets as that of an SD 2200d with compatible coils?  Narrawa,forgive me for what I'm about to say next, Q24 Q25 Q35

         Cheers Kon.What a Face
My Infinium will detect an 0.15g flattish nugg at from 0 to 6cm+. My Sand Shark can detect the same 0.15g nugg at 7cm, and the SS has an output field density approx half the strength of the Infinium. The Dual Field detects the same nugg at a similar distance (Air Testing).
The diff being that the Finny can do it in hot ground but the other two detectors will not because they are not set up to handle hot/iron mineralisation. They are noisy in that type of ground.The Sand Shark is actually capable of finding gold nuggs in this tough ground and will detect a nugg down to at least 2.5g in severe ground but you need to listen to the ground tones carefully. My SS can comfortably detect a 4.8g nugget sandwiched between two 1.7kg slabs of maghematite and iron stone with the nugg sitting between the slabs centred  at a distance of 17 cm

.I have said it before. At a certain point Eddy Current saturation is reached in a target that has been energised by a EMP and after that you could dump the entire Snowy Mountains Hydro Electricity output  into your ML coils and there will be no change in the amount of Eddy Current generated in a small metal target.

The Sand Shark uses a Pulse Width control to up the output from small targets rather than to dump more voltage across the coil.

The Infinium is operating at optimum output power for eddy current generation in a target but it lacks the ability to process the resultant signal to a more satisfactory level.

This ability seems to have been satisfied in the ATX to a significant degree if the teaser vids are anything to go by.

The weeeely weeeely big batterwies used with the GPXs is to run the cctry and signal processing system and to give the detector a half decent run time between charges. If by increacing battery voltage has increaced the signal strength then the detector was not operating at full safe potential in the first place.
Or, maybe it was and that by upping the battery voltage you could possibly be driving the cctry on the limits and likely shortening the life of the detector.


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