Carona virus panic

davsgold wrote:Just remember that these are "regulations" not "Legislation" never been debated or passed in any parliament (state or federal)  they can be repealed or remain as long at there choosing

I'm starting to think..................well I best not say what I am thinking

That's completely incorrect Dave & just feeding more conspiracy theory!
In NSW specific legislation has been passed to enable amendments to various other legislation:
COVID-19 Legislation Amendment (Emergency Measures) Bill 2020
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/bills/Pages/bill-details.aspx?pk=3741
Other Orders have been made under the relevant Legislative Acts such as the Public Health (COVID-19 Restrictions on Gathering and Movement) Order 2020 made under the Public Health Act.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/diseases/Documents/covid-19-public-events-order-20200315.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjhoeTDqcvoAhVt_XMBHd13C64QFjADegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2-o5GjLMlv2Q_nyQSlc7uE

ALL of these Orders & legislative amendments are COVID-19 specific. They cannot be used willy nilly for whatever reason they choose & are specific to this COVID-19 pandemic.

Other States & Territories have enacted similar Orders under relevant Acts &/or specific legislation such as WA:
https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/McGowan/2020/03/Urgent-legislation-to-support-States-COVID-19-response.aspx
The other States & Territories are easily found online too.
But I suppose that's all part of the world's biggest hoodwink

madtuna wrote:

Kon61gold wrote:Once again, I find repeating myself on this. This is not the common seasonal flue or strain of influenza we are currently experiencing, or we wouldn't have fit/healthy everyday doctors, nurses, carers or care workers, some dying from looking after the ones critically stricken with COVID-19.
It don't matter from where, who, how & why this has come to be, but it is real, it is here & it is happening.
People should concentrate on the issues/reality facing us at hand & not on trying to find out who or whats really behind it all, or who's distorting the facts more than the other.
BTW, madtuna, If anyone wishes to throw a spanner in the works, by telling others none of this is really happening, nor does it seem to exist, in a time when people across the globe are at their most vulnerable of catching, spreading, or even dying from such a disease/virus, I suggest they think again.
You do mean "mortality" rate & not "morality" rate planetcare, no?

Cheers Kon.

For starters Kon, nowhere did I imply it's not serious at all. It is DAMN serious! Please don't for a minute think I don't think it's serious. But the media and their sensationalism is responsible for a lot of this panic that we are witnessing now.

We have to be very careful where we get our information from especially with  mainstream media, not just on CV but on all things.
The video clearly pointed out stark contrasts between what the news was reporting at various locations to what was actually happening at those same locations.

That was not conspiracy theory (which I don't subscribe to) it was fact.

Unfortunately we'll never know now because you've seen fit to delete it because it doesn't fall into line with the way you or your new bestie Planetcare AKA Doug AKA Marshall demands we all think.

Please don't treat people like idiots or children just because they have differing opinions than you.

The media & conspiracy theorists have a lot to answer for IMO. Have caused unwarranted panic like never seen before.
Shelves still have no Shite paper

What people sometimes class as what seems to be fact, is not always the case tuna, but I'ts not up nor open for debate. Now if you think I treat people or members on here as naive idiotic children, who know not what they say or do, then I ask you, why have you returned to this so called childish forum again?

Kon

mbasko wrote:

davsgold wrote:Just remember that these are "regulations" not "Legislation" never been debated or passed in any parliament (state or federal)  they can be repealed or remain as long at there choosing

I'm starting to think..................well I best not say what I am thinking

That's completely incorrect Dave & just feeding more conspiracy theory!
In NSW specific legislation has been passed to enable amendments to various other legislation:
COVID-19 Legislation Amendment (Emergency Measures) Bill 2020
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/bills/Pages/bill-details.aspx?pk=3741
Other Orders have been made under the relevant Legislative Acts such as the Public Health (COVID-19 Restrictions on Gathering and Movement) Order 2020 made under the Public Health Act.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/diseases/Documents/covid-19-public-events-order-20200315.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjhoeTDqcvoAhVt_XMBHd13C64QFjADegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2-o5GjLMlv2Q_nyQSlc7uE

ALL of these Orders & legislative amendments are COVID-19 specific. They cannot be used willy nilly for whatever reason they choose & are specific to this COVID-19 pandemic.

Other States & Territories have enacted similar Orders under relevant Acts &/or specific legislation such as WA:
https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/McGowan/2020/03/Urgent-legislation-to-support-States-COVID-19-response.aspx
The other States & Territories are easily found online too.
But I suppose that's all part of the world's biggest hoodwink

Well that makes me feel so much better, thanks

Alan Jones on 2GB yesterday, this is a small part of what was said.  Read the rest in the link if you want.
https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustralia/posts/602378353688444?__tn__=K-R

"The rules were implemented via regulation, not legislation, which means they were not debated in parliament and were not subject to possibly sensible amendments."

edit: the main reason to turn on the TV nowdays is to watch Netflix

Great, now you can get back to planning WA trips + selling coils/picks without worrying about the men in black knocking on ya door

Watching the ABC this morning I was impressed they actually put on a couple of people who are experts in this virus field. Too often they think they are the experts and their opinion is the only one.

They told us that wearing masks if you are not ill is a wast of time and money, moreover it can actually be dangerous to your health. People wearing masks are always fiddling with them and touching their face, eyes and even mouth. Plus a mask gives you a false sense of security.

They showed a clip of inside a CV ward where all the patients were wearing masks but the doctors and nurses were not. And the nurses were not wearing gloves.

The reason for not wearing gloves was that when you take the gloves off you can contaminate yourself from the virus on the outside of the gloves, then believing yourself to be safe you don't wash your hands. Or at least not wash well enough.

So the message was: don't wear a mask unless YOU are sick and don't wear gloves but simply wash your hands for at least 20 seconds with lots of soap or the proper hand wash in warm water.

As for hand wash do not buy it on line as much of the on line stuff is diluted to the point of uselessness or has no anti bacterial at all. And the masks are usually imported and of poor quality.

There was a lot more but those were the basics. I'm sure you will find more come on main stream TV for you to catch up

The reason why shelves are still being left empty of Shite paper, is because every morning just before opening hr, there's a charge of the light brigade on the limited stock at hand sitting on the shelves, leaving nothing for anyone else by the afternoon/evening.

Kon.

mbasko wrote:Great, now you can get back to planning WA trips + selling coils/picks without worrying about the men in black knocking on ya door

Planing yes, doing no, selling stuff, well Scom said keep business ticking over if at all possible.

The video in question left a lot to be desired,a lot of assumptions by the person making it.
What time of the day was it filmed?,looked very early in the morning,no one on the streets because of lock down as well.
He asked a driver how many covid pt there were,was that guy a paramedic? if so he's bound by confidentiality not to give out info,hence his reluctance or he may have just been a
transport driver in uniform like we have here in oz [health select ,wilson patient transport.Transport drivers are not qualified,only taught CPR,they have a nurse escort ,he may not have known any stats and reluctant to talk as well.
He videoed a person sitting in a transport vehicle,saw him on a phone a quipped he's probably on netflix,was he?He may well have been working out next patient pick up.
He also showed empty hospitals waiting rooms,new-York is a big city ,some hospital may have been cleared out for up and coming cases? this video may have been taken in some outer region of NY.Plus like most hospital here they are in lock down so one visitor/day or no visitors.
Did he actually go into the wards and see what was going on inside?
There are always 2 sides to every story,don't take everything on face value or you might end up with egg on your face.
keep an open mind everyone,question everything

cheers moredeep

davsgold wrote:Alan Jones on 2GB yesterday, this is a small part of what was said.  Read the rest in the link if you want.
https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustralia/posts/602378353688444?__tn__=K-R

"The rules were implemented via regulation, not legislation, which means they were not debated in parliament and were not subject to possibly sensible amendments."

And you believe an Alan Jones Farcebook post over the actual NSW parliamentary website & official Public Health Act Order/s.
Alan Jones comments on the COVID-19 pandemic have been widely labelled as dangerous & irresponsible. Enough said.

granite2 wrote:Watching the ABC this morning I was impressed they actually put on a couple of people who are experts in this virus field. Too often they think they are the experts and their opinion is the only one.

They told us that wearing masks if you are not ill is a wast of time and money, moreover it can actually be dangerous to your health. People wearing masks are always fiddling with them and touching their face, eyes and even mouth. Plus a mask gives you a false sense of security.

They showed a clip of inside a CV ward where all the patients were wearing masks but the doctors and nurses were not. And the nurses were not wearing gloves.

The reason for not wearing gloves was that when you take the gloves off you can contaminate yourself from the virus on the outside of the gloves, then believing yourself to be safe you don't wash your hands. Or at least not wash well enough.

So the message was: don't wear a mask unless YOU are sick and don't wear gloves but simply wash your hands for at least 20 seconds with lots of soap or the proper hand wash in warm water.

As for hand wash do not buy it on line as much of the on line stuff is diluted to the point of uselessness or has no anti bacterial at all. And the masks are usually imported and of poor quality.

There was a lot more but those were the basics. I'm sure you will find more come on main stream TV for you to catch up

Really Jim, that has to be fake news, some friends of ours flew back to Aussie a few weesk back (yes they did the 14days iso) and they were sitting next to a Dr of infectious disease control also coming back home to Aussie, and he had a mask on the whole time, when they asked the Dr about wearing a mask his reply was, if you had seen the things I see you would also wear a mask. Enough said, if masks stop the virus from spreading from the sick people then surely common sense would also tell you the it will stop the virus on the outside of the mask as well.

As for the gloves well, have you ever seen a Dr or nurse or anyone remove a rubber/plastic glove other than by turning it inside out from the top down as it is being removed and the virus or blood or anything else is trapped on the then INSIDE of the glove.

cheers dave

mbasko wrote:

davsgold wrote:Alan Jones on 2GB yesterday, this is a small part of what was said.  Read the rest in the link if you want.
https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustralia/posts/602378353688444?__tn__=K-R

"The rules were implemented via regulation, not legislation, which means they were not debated in parliament and were not subject to possibly sensible amendments."

And you believe an Alan Jones Farcebook post over the actual NSW parliamentary website & official Public Health Act Order/s.
Alan Jones comments on the COVID-19 pandemic have been widely labelled as dangerous & irresponsible. Enough said.

whatever, that is why I reckon the best use for the TV is to watch Netflix now

davsgold wrote:

mbasko wrote:

davsgold wrote:Alan Jones on 2GB yesterday, this is a small part of what was said.  Read the rest in the link if you want.
https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustralia/posts/602378353688444?__tn__=K-R

"The rules were implemented via regulation, not legislation, which means they were not debated in parliament and were not subject to possibly sensible amendments."

And you believe an Alan Jones Farcebook post over the actual NSW parliamentary website & official Public Health Act Order/s.
Alan Jones comments on the COVID-19 pandemic have been widely labelled as dangerous & irresponsible. Enough said.

whatever, that is why I reckon the best use for the TV is to watch Netflix now

All good Dave & your right about the TV.
We can all look forward to lots of planning time & cabin fever by the looks of things regardless of how we view it all. Thankfully I can still escape to work for now

The Andrews gov't had better make the most of their time in power..they will be dumped at the next election.

Absolutely ridiculous rules and restrictions they're imposing on Victorians right now
I can freely go and mingle with dozens of people at a supermarket,shopping centre,fishing tackle shop etc. but i can't go and sit on a riverbank,play golf or prospect by myself.

Just my two cents worth,i know that everyone will have differing opinions on this,and i respect that.

Sharkbait, we understand what you're feeling/going through right now, but you are not supposed to freely go & mingle with dozens of other people at your local chemist/supermarket/shopping centre/or fishing tackle shop, without adhering/following the strict procedures put in place.

Cheers Kon.

Kon61gold wrote:Sharkbait, we understand what you're feeling/going through right now, but you are not supposed to freely go & mingle with dozens of other people at your local chemist/supermarket/shopping centre/or fishing tackle shop, without adhering/following the strict procedures put in place.

Cheers Kon.  

Kon,i'm sorry,i think "mingle" was definitely the wrong choice of words there..i only go out to the supermarket when i need something,but you get my drift?
I don't purposely go and try to be among people as i'm well aware of how dangerous this virus can be,but i just think the gov't are trying to paint us all with the one brush here.

No apologies needed Sharkbait, for I do get your drift. Its just that I call it as I see it, but thanks for being much clearer on the subject.
As for government protocol, they too call it as they see it, till further facts/figures enter the equation, necessitating a change in regulations. No ones en counted anything like this in our life time, so mistakes will be made & corrected time & time again, to better suit the individual needs of circumstance. Just goes to show, no ones perfect, neither is the game of decision making, but thumbs up to our government leaders, for quickly acting on, instead of laying idle on the issues/problems that we currently face.

Cheers Kon.

Kon61gold wrote:The reason why shelves are still being left empty of Shite paper, is because every morning just before opening hr, there's a charge of the light brigade on the limited stock at hand sitting on the shelves, leaving nothing for anyone else by the afternoon/evening.

Kon.

Before seniors were allowed to shop early, all of the panic buying hoarders (younger people) were cleaning out the shelves and seniors arriving later to do their shopping were confronted with empty shelves. Well now those hoarders are getting a taste of their own medicine.  Although this morning when Wife and I went to the super market there was no separate shopping time for seniors and I passed several people with toilet and paper towel rolls. and by the time I arrived inside the s market people were running passed me while pushing trollies to get to the bloody dunny rolls. By the time I hobbled down to the dunny roll shelves they were almost cleaned out.  That good ole Aussie attitude of helping his mates when the chips are down seems to have gone right out the window lately.....Sometimes I wonder if it ever really existed at all.

Must be something it the water up there Adrian [ecoli? causing people to rush for dunny rolls],very civilized down here at our s/market.
although a mate of mine who runs a shop got told by a bloke in his mid 70's to get Fd because he was told to wait behind a line at the counter,
must be some thing different in our water here?


cheers moredeep

Shortage of dunny paper paled to insignifisence at our local woollies s/market today when I wanted some eggs for termorrows brekky.. Not a sole, solitary hen fruit in the place... Why oh why... So now its bacon without eggs!!!! dundiggin

As i understand it Dictator Dan has enacted a state of emergency, which means he can make decisions without going to a cabinet vote.
Example of this is the no fishng, hunting and golfing etc, all his decision.

people are massively pissed with the fishing decision, labor is finished at next election. So its fine for every other state to be open to rec fishing but not vico, all on Dictator Dans opinion.

Dangerous times for our hard fought freedoms and democracy in australia , victoria in particular

hopefully this forum respects freedoms of opinion and speech ,as Kon seems super keen to shut down any opinions that differ to his

There is a lot of paranoia creeping into the decision making of our elected leaders in regards to the corona virus and banning fishing is one example. Fishing is a God given right for all humanity as is hunting for your supper. The way things are headed at the moment these may soon be the only options we will have for obtaining food.

I think Kon does a pretty fair job of running this forum and manages to keep it civilised in comparison to some other forums.

Goldmuss78.

I don't like Dangerous Dan either and as much as I don't like the decision to stop us from our recreations I can understand it and support it for a short while. If the other states continue to have a rise in their cases but ours doesn't then it was a good idea. If after a month then there is no difference in the rise in cases then I believe the decision should be reversed. Surely we can at least wait and see. The decision to take a different approach is a bit like flying. The pilots on duty do not eat the same food in case they get sick. This way there is at least one pilot available to fly the plane. We can thank our lucky stars that we live on an island and with our borders shut we are quarantined from the rest of the world now.

Once the state of emergency was called then democracy went out the window. The virus certainly doesn't adhere to democracy.

Regards Axtyr.

dundiggin wrote:Shortage of dunny paper paled to insignifisence at our local woollies s/market today when I wanted some eggs for termorrows brekky.. Not a sole, solitary hen fruit in the place... Why oh why... So now its bacon without eggs!!!! dundiggin

Similar problem here. The S MKT is reasonably well stocked by opening time but is cleaned out of bread, eggs, milk and flaming paper towels and dunny rolls within an hour or two of opening.. People are still over buying so much so that we are lucky to be able to obtain a couple of days supplies at any one time which means that we have to spend a lot of time in the super market during any one week and these places are potentially a rich source of corona carrying youngish people.

Get this! My daughter who is in isol in Sydney is supposed to order food to be delivered to her but she has to go down to a shop pick up /collection point in order to get it, but if she goes out to buy her own food from the same collection point she could be fined or even jailed. These rules/laws have not been clearly thought out which makes a person doubt the problem solving and logical thinking ability of those making these decisions.

goldmuss78 wrote:As i understand it Dictator Dan has enacted a state of emergency, which means he can make decisions without going to a cabinet vote.
Example of this is the no fishng, hunting and golfing etc, all his decision.

people are massively pissed with the fishing decision, labor is finished at next election. So its fine for every other state to be open to rec fishing but not vico, all on Dictator Dans opinion.

Dangerous times for our hard fought freedoms and democracy in australia , victoria in particular

hopefully this forum respects freedoms of opinion and speech ,as Kon seems super keen to shut down any opinions that differ to his

Goldmuss, what action do you think is best to stop a highly infectious virus from spreading through the community? There is no vaccine or treatment and when let loose in the community hospitals are very quickly over run.
The biggest problem I see with this virus is that for many of the infected they only show minor symptoms if any at all, but for the 4-12% that die from this well for them it is fatal.
If you really want to freak out, when looking at the numbers of coronavirus cases, compare deaths with recoveries. Because at the end of the day there are only 2 outcomes and the recoveries seem to take a long time to happen. Then who knows what long term effects this virus will have or what effect it will have if hit with another strain or other respiratory illness in the future. Maybe it doesn't get many this time round....
We just need to stay the f#@k home unless it is really necessary. The sooner this happens the sooner we can all get back to our lives pre-corona.

Adrian, we went to the shops here last night and most of everything was back on the shelves. No canned veg though. However I was greeted with a full isle of dunny paper and apparently it had been that way for about a week!

Cheers Mick

There is some crazy stuff going on Adrian and some very crazy decision makers. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny, and there is no way you could even write fiction that comes close to what is happening.

cheers dave

goldmuss78 wrote:As i understand it Dictator Dan has enacted a state of emergency, which means he can make decisions without going to a cabinet vote.
Example of this is the no fishng, hunting and golfing etc, all his decision.

people are massively pissed with the fishing decision, labor is finished at next election. So its fine for every other state to be open to rec fishing but not vico, all on Dictator Dans opinion.

Dan's decision was almost certainly based on the advice of Vic's  chief  medical officer.

He may be the chief medical officer but he clearly knows zip about fishing or the conditions under which it can take place.
Is he referring to trawling in the open ocean/ or fishing from a pier or jetty or alone from a row boat or sitting on a river bank or fly fishing in a creek or tossing a line in the creek at the bottom of your property?? How about yabbying? maybe he should ban that as well .
Fair suck! some people should stick to their profession instead of screwing with everybody else's

I do not believe what I just this minute heard on the tele.

Medical professionals in America have just made the most astounding claim re the corona virus.
They have just stated that they believe that the virus can be spread simply by talking to someone.
Fair go people, that is common knowledge for any virus and cold germ. When we speak we breath out moist warm air and it carries viruses in each droplet of moisture.! What the!!??