Eastern states prospectors ignoring the rules in wa.

Seems there will be somewhat of a wave of humanity heading west next season, maybe we should all meet up at norseman and drive in a hundred car convoy north all with vic and nsw plates, id pay money to see the look on birdmans face as the convoy roars past him.

Gday All
I'm a born and bred West Ozzie but gimmee a break Birdman.
The term you were looking for in your last post was "Graticular Block". If you ARE a frequent user of Tengraph you'd know this.
When you apply for a section 20A you are assigned ten such blocks on each appln for a period of three months. Each block is approx 2.6km2 (that's a total of 26 square kilometres to detect on that one section 20A alone). Realistically it would take you that long to properly detect one block let alone ten of them. The cost for this - a princely $25. You can have a couple of blokes on the appln and that cuts your cost for three months down to $12.50 each.
More than one 20A can be approved for any one Exploration License.
You could accomodate millions of prospectors across this state alone.
One idea I have been mulling over is to only allow those Tothersiders in if they are equipped with only the Whites TDI Pro and if they'll sign up to a motion for us to cecede from the rest of the Nation.
Cheers
Brett

Brett
WHAT!! cecede?? And loose all that income from the mining companies. NO Never! We Easteners could not live the lifestyle that we are used too if you ceceded. No fancy 4x4 and lovely big caravans etc anymore. We love you all, in fact we love you so much, most of us will be visiting birdman next winter.
White coffee, 1 sugar please birdman.
On a serious note Brett, that was an interesting post, perhaps you could advise the processes involved in applying for a section 20a so that we will be legal when we arrive in our convoy.
Cheers spinna

Like it or not WA arnt going anywhere, ive posted this link before.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/tempers-flare-but-no-tanks-across-the-nullarbor-yet/story-e6frg6nf-1225863645688

Anyway when i head over ill swing past richmond and pick up timmy [eureka] and st arnaud and pick up stoppsy and claimpeg from bendigo is more than welcome to tag along as well, as ill be going over anyway all they need is there own detector,tent + food & grog the thing we all have in common is were all paupers from Vic that want a crack at some gold, i intend going for 2 weeks if ive got the 4wd + petrol, to save on time getting there another driver would be handy cause the drive is 24 hours minimum even more 30 hours.

Ha ha big chuckles over that link after reading it again, nsw calls W.A and Queensland the axis of evil and W.A calls NSW a rust bucket and an anchor around its neck, there does seem to be no love lost whats going on.

gollstar, it would be good tho
cheers
stoppsy

Birdman wrote:Frustrating when you have to pay 20a's when someone else does not.

Us Eastern Staters pay for more 20A's than any of your lot do birdman.
I think you're just a case of sour grapes because you have no assets or perhaps aren't as good a detector operator as you would like to think.
Probably another whinging pom.

Robert

Yours

Gday Spinna & All
Spinna, if you go to dmp.wa.gov.au and follow a link there to register for Tengraph, it's free. They'll give you a user ID and password and you're away. Just a matter then of learning to drive the system.
Before you can get a section 20A you will need a WA Miners Right, also obtainable from DMP (department of mines and petroleum I believe is the acronym). Find a contact on their site and email them to find out how much you have to send them and where. Can't tell you how much they are as I haven't had to buy one for over 30 years as I was lucky enough to get one in perpetuity in 1979.
In the DMP site you can download a Form 1A "Aplication For Permit Under Section 20A" (that makes sense doesn't it, why not call it a form 20A?).
When you've filled it out you can post it to DMP or hand lodge it at the appropriate Mining Registrars office. Post it as it takes them about three weeks to process them and if you did it when you got here you'd have to wait.

Good luck.
cheers
Brett

Thanks for the info Brett.
Perfect example of what this forum is all about.
Cheers spinna

gollstar wrote:Seems there will be somewhat of a wave of humanity heading west next season, maybe we should all meet up at norseman and drive in a hundred car convoy north all with vic and nsw plates, id pay money to see the look on birdmans face as the convoy roars past him.

Will Julia be leading the convoy?

And yes i do sometimes geticulate i mean gesticulate i mean gatticular block. These words are all to hard for me.

Now,now Bird,stop being Cocky.

Cheers kon61.

kon61 wrote:

Now,now Bird,stop being Cocky.

Cheers kon61.

that's funny as

Pirate Rudd, with his first pirate boat wench Julia and a cocky on its shoulder. Aye Aye see some gst revenue their me mateys.

[b]AMEN. (everybody knows what that means....not)

Birdman wrote:Enough is enough. We have old eastern staters coming in like mosquitos walking on tenaments and taking out nuggets.

Look why should we put up with a grandmother form melbourne pulling out a 30k slug from pegged ground. The wa people work hard to peg their ground and pay through the nose to govt for their rights. Why should an eastern stater just think it is okay to waltz in ignore the tengraph map and come in and take a 30k tax free slug of some wa battler.

brag about it and say they did not know where they found it.

It is not as if wa people are heading to eastern states to take your gold off pegged ground.

Birdman, before I go to WA, and I have been going over there a long time, I get in touch with the Companies who have Prospecting licences over a vast area of WA and seek permission to prospect on their leases , most companies are cordial and either give permission or advise you to apply for a permission to prospect by applying through the mining Warden Court by way of a form 20A application .
I ask them for written permission if they give it. I have not yet had to apply for a form 20a, because I get permission to prospect without applying for it. There are Two Large Companies mining leases that I am allowed to go on because I tell them of any substantial finds. There is one company that operates over there , which is not an Australian Company (its Canadian) which has Thousands of Square miles under prospecting lease and the only way you can get on their leases is by way of a form 20A. Do you think these foreigners have more rights to the Australian gold than us Australians, I don't.

mulgadansa wrote:
Before you can get a section 20A you will need a WA Miners Right, also obtainable from DMP (department of mines and petroleum I believe is the acronym). Find a contact on their site and email them to find out how much you have to send them and where. Can't tell you how much they are as I haven't had to buy one for over 30 years as I was lucky enough to get one in perpetuity in 1979.


Good luck.
cheers
Brett

Brett, maybe you know the answer to this? I also bought a WA Miners Right in '79 - '80. Because of many shifts and divorce etc I wouldn't have a clue where it is now. Q. Do they keep it on record, and would it be worth contacting the dept to see if they do still have it on file?

Panther

Brett, maybe you know the answer to this? I also bought a WA Miners Right in '79 - '80. Because of many shifts and divorce etc I wouldn't have a clue where it is now. Q. Do they keep it on record, and would it be worth contacting the dept to see if they do still have it on file

panther, once you have a wa miners right you have it for life. contact dmp they should be able to help you.

Kool.... just like a queensland boat licence

Gday hoolahoopa


I got my first miners right back in the 70s and due to being in the eastern states for eight years and moving about the place I lost it, possibly thrown out with other old paperwork, when I went in to the mines department to get a replacement they informed me that they had no record of me ever having one in the first place, and I know for sure that I did have it.

But in the end I had to get a new one and pay another fee, about $25 I think, was not about the cost of a replacement but just the fact that they said that they had no record of me ever having one that cheesed me off, because I had done some prospecting here and there before I went in to get a replacement for it I could have been busted for not having been issued one according to their records, you would have to wonder how accurate a lot of their other records would be wouldnt you?

Another annoying and possibly little known issue ,some areas that have native title issues will only allow holders of miners rights pre certain dates to apply and gain 20a permits, I was told about this in Karratha by another prospector, anyway I believe it to be true but have not put this question to the mines department as yet, someone else might know a bit more about this subject.

Anyway my advice to you is get in touch with them a long way in advance if you plan to prospect here and either get a replacement or apply for a new one as you need to have it on you while you are out there.


cheers

stayyerAU

have u seen all the refugees that are looking for gold in the speccing patch just out of town in Leonora. They just move about freely in the town and its perimeter. A couple of them were trying to offload about 2grams of gold to me. It might not sound like much but it is not the point:

1. they are illegally in this country
2. they have free movement in this country
3. they are taking gold from the speccing patch in their free time which is every day.
4. they are clothed and feed and given accomadation and bedding for free. ( you try and get that for free up there)
5. they are making money while in detention all cash free.

also if you like a good cheap meal for about 10 to 15 bucks the pub on the corner is recommened top cheap meal of the day by western australian standards.

( this truely is the lucky country for some )

For some!!!!!

It is sad that these people can walk into a corrupt lawyers office overseas and end up here with free accomodation, food and free foxtel. Then they are let out on excursions to steal gold from the legitamite prospector.

If things do not go their way they set fire to their free five star hotel and start harming themselves. let them out to clean the trash from the specking patch so we can prospect with allot more ease.

I can recommend the take away place in leonora, it is a bit like a 1980's video games museum too which is interesting. They do a good marinated bbq chicken .

Gday Panther
Contact DMP and get them to check their records for your Miners Right.
I applied for a Section 20A a couple of months ago and they said they had no record of my MR so I had to scan it and send it to them. All was then sweet. This seemed strange to me as I had held many approved mining tenements back in the 70's and 80's. Guess their record keeping's not the best so it would definitely pay to check.
Try emailing this lady, she was very helpful. DAWSON, Ros [Ros.DAWSON@dmp.wa.gov.au]
cheers
Brett

This is truly the lucky country for all of us. But don't get too worried about those nasty reffos finding gold on the specking patch. Even with a 5000 they will find it difficult to find much out there. We had a look there last season and while we all found gold with our 4500's our take for one day was less than 2 grams.

And the thing about these people is that most of them have nothing and are genuine refugees. Only a very small minority have a further agenda. If someone from your home town was found guilty of murder it doesn't make the entire town murderers.

And while everyone seems to hate the boat people few take any notice that most illegal immigrants fly into this country. Only about 2 percent come by boat.

I loved that big fat bird from Leonora on TV earlier this year who said in a very emotional voice (angry) that those awful refugees get everything for nothing while we (meaning she) had to work her arse off, her words not mine, to get what she got. I reckon the entire nation fell off their chairs laughing because she had a long way to go, about 50kilos, to lose much off her arse.

No matter what, you gotta keep your sense of humour.

Cheers, Jim

Birdman wrote:It is sad that these people can walk into a corrupt lawyers office overseas and end up here with free accomodation, food and free foxtel. Then they are let out on excursions to steal gold from the legitamite prospector.

If things do not go their way they set fire to their free five star hotel and start harming themselves. let them out to clean the trash from the specking patch so we can prospect with allot more ease.

damn them eastern staters with thier vans with sat dishes and damn them refugees with thier foxtel dishes!

there's a theme happening here..I reccon it's the Pay Tv that gets up your nose Birdman...you weren't touched on the nuts by a Foxtel salesman were you?

Whats wrong with settling the tamel tigers over there we got worse much worse over here, its about time the love was spread around i reckon, send some up to Brisbane as well, i had to move suburbs because of the crime.

Explorer,

Fair suck of the sav bloke, you should have dobbed them in to the Gold Police. They could not have had Fossickers Licences and anyway, the Leonora Specking Patch is private lease I think, so they could have been pinged for that too.

Fair dinkum sport, it's flamin un-Australian, in fact it's bloody un-Western Australian.

Crikey mate, send them to Christmas Island - there's nothing to get there except crabs. And while your at it, send all the bloody Eastern Staters there at the same time - serve those rich gin palace, satellite TV packin mongrels right.

Jigalong.

So you think economic refugees in collusion with corrupt lawyers should not get free foxtel at their govt funded five star hotels...... and then have the right to grab alluvial gold....at your taxpaying expense..... are you raycis or culturally incorrect..... of course they have the rights.....

thought it was against the law in wa, to metal detect?
here in south australia...you ask permission to detect, or the nastys happen, its not hard to ask most say yes.
i find it easy to understand pegged land and rules! but people on a holliday dont give a F@@k...and there is the problem.
for they live far away and think they can do what they wish...and is a tell tale sign of there personalty.
they do the same with fishing too...when they come here...when locals keep in up front...and they break every rule.
Now wheres me wife i got a hard on...lol

I tend to dissagree with you there hardcore.. I know a fair few eastern staters who go to W.A. and I can pretty confidently state they do give a fig!
For some it's a once a year trip and for many it's a once in a lifetime trip!

The last thing they want to do is have a disgustingly expensive holiday ruined by being caught with thier pants down in the wrong spot and end up with thier gear confiscated...much of it ireplacable. All thier I's are dotted and T's are crossed.

Freshwater and I are heading over next season and as any eastern stater can attest, the amount of planning is HUGE!

While I have nodoubt many Easterners do do the wrong thing and yeah some deliberately, I would be more inclined to believe a lot of the claim jumping is done by locals familliar with the area and familliar with the comings and goings of the lease holder. the same happens on this side of the paddock too.

Easterners tend to get blamed for a lot of the rubbish there too..but no Eastern stater is going to drag his old broken fridge and pee stained mattress 6000klms or more to leave it on a W.A. goldfield.