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Post  Wombat on Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:31 pm

Q33 fully Kon. Q15 mate. Q27 The Government is not spending Billions & Billions of dollars just to keep us at home to watch Netflix and such. This virus is spreading around the world quicker and taking lives faster than any flu
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Post  PeterInSa on Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:41 pm

Have Friends/rellies that live in NW Tassie, its in Lockdown, only Supermarkets and Chemists open ( I understand), Bunnings closed except for Tradies, Kamart etc etc closed. Can only travel in local area. One Rellie lives in the Devonport Council area but is closer to Latrobe and needs to go to her Chemist there (Chemist in Devonport is a lot further away, so may have issues if pulled up by police).. To me must be a similar setup to NZ.

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Post  adrian ss on Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:56 pm

On average the number of deaths from the common flu in Australia each year is 1,500 - 3,000.
Hospitalisations  20,000
      Elderly and people with chronic diseases are 40 times more likely to die from the flu than younger fitter people.

Corona deaths to date in Australia  63
Cases  reported inc hospitalisations   approx 6500.

Corona seems pretty tame to me.

When the full on flu season begins, are we going to have another total lock down/ It seems to be more deadly than the corona virus.
Or is it just ok to die from the flu but not the corona virus.  I mean the Gov does not  seem to be too bothered by people dying from or contracting the flu aye, even though the numbers are much higher than for the corona virus to date.

I tend to feel that if we had not had these lock downs that the total deaths from the corona v would be the same as with the lock downs.

Enforcing isolation and safe distancing will doubtless slow the infection rate but in the end the death  and infection  percentages will end up the same as it will be with these regulations that are destroying our economy, our livelihood, in some cases mentality and family stability.

Just some thoughts to encourage discussion  not necessarily my beliefs.......So don't jump down my throat. Laughing
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Post  PeterInSa on Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:21 pm

Adrian, I am on the wrong side of 75, have the Flu shot every year and cannot remember when I last had a cold or the Flu, so getting the Flu does not bother me, but the C Virus, that's another thing.

If I get it, I think I will survive, but don't know about SWMBO who is probably not as fit/healthy as me. So I will take all the precautions.

Probably will load the Gov App on my phone, SWMBO, probably not.

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Post  Kon61gold on Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:37 pm

Q07  V33 That's so I don't jump down your throat Adrian. Smile

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Post  moredeep on Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 pm

I remember DR Norman swan saying at the start of this pandemic ,if we play our cards right we'll get off fairly lightly.
He stated something a long the lines of,I'm happy to be proven wrong 6 or 8 weeks down the track ,meaning we have got it right and it didn't get out of control.
So, it looks like we [touch wood] may have dodged a bullet,just don't get complacent.
New yorkers ordered to wear mask outside at all times,trump blaming WHO,WHO blaming trump,who's on first and whats on second geez it's all a bit crazy. What a Face affraid

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Post  planetcare on Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:14 pm

adrian ss wrote:On average the number of deaths from the common flu in Australia each year is 1,500 - 3,000.
I tend to feel that if we had not had these lock downs that the total deaths from the corona v would be the same as with the lock downs.
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The evidence from  o/s  suggests that this in not the case. Without a lock down the death toll would be very much higher!

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Post  planetcare on Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:22 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Keogh, I'v asked you on more than one occasion to keep all or any form of personal belief/conspiracy theories to your self & not have them downloaded & brought on to a gold detecting/prospecting forum up for discussion/debate. Members on here are free to get on YouTube & listen to as much personal opinion/conspiracy theory, about what each really think is behind this corona virus outbreak as they like, but not have it introduced up on this forum for the purpose of discussion/debate. The one main rule on this forum is "respect for one another" & adhering/respecting the wishes of management, none of which you care little about. Now I know you think that I'm trying to muzzle up the real truth about whats really behind the motives of this corona virus (just like you believe all other politicians of the world are trying to do) but In reality I say to you, I'm only muzzling up theoretical, unsubstantiated crap, from continuing to degrade the credibility of this forum & what it stands for.

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Thanks Kon! Very Happy   A common sense and logical response. Our infection growth rate today is down to .77.We can win this battle so please guys lets keep it up and show together  with NZ the way forward!.


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Post  PeterInSa on Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:25 pm

Re Trump and WHO,
For once I tend to agree with him, re WHO is China Centric

Saw On TV a Journo from Taiwan, asking a WHO representative, why when Taiwan ask WHO about the Virus in China in Dec? why WHO did not reply. The Guy pretended he did not hear the question went quiet for about 15sec, then said he did not hear the question, She asked the question again and he turned off the interview.


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Post  Kon61gold on Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:12 pm

Fellas, I'm quite sure the "finger of blame" will be pointed in more than one direction, the moment the world starts getting back on its feet, but for the time being, we the people of Australia, must do the right thing & continue to do the right thing, in order to have this virus under control/manageable, till some form of vaccine or cure comes to light. If all the current stats read true, a few more weeks adhering to the rules/restrictions set down before us, is not to much to ask for, in the hope of getting our lives back on track.
As for the cost to our economy, we can only take things one day at a time, for no one can see whats to come, but you can bet on one thing, where there's a will to survive, man will find a way.

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Post  adrian ss on Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:45 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Q07  V33 That's so I don't jump down your throat Adrian. Smile

Cheers Kon. T25

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The only ones I can see are those on the first page...Page 2,3,4,5 look like this:
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Post  moredeep on Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:57 pm

I think for establishments like WHO it was a case of dammed if you do ,or dammed if you don't.
Call a pandemic to early and spook the worlds economy is a big call,it may have reduced the virus spread,then they may have been ridiculed because not much eventuated as the virus fizzled.
They waited a couple of weeks to see how the virus was panning out and bingo it went feral rather quickly and the rest they say is history.
Can't do much about the old "what if's"
Just got to hang in there guys & gals Very Happy  

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Post  thegoldman24 on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:19 am

18000 flu cases were reported for april last year in Australia and yet 60 cases reported till april the 15th this year.My question .Does anyone find this odd.Or am l just being paranoid thinking they might be cooking the books and marking people with normal flu as covid19 cases????? https://www.immunisationcoalition.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/15Apr-Aust-Flu-Stats-2020.pdf

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Post  Axtyr on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:37 am

I can't wait to go detecting again.

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Post  adrian ss on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:47 am

Shades of Gestapo and Hitler tactics.
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/couple-spotted-sitting-in-car-fined-2000/3989732/
Australia is not Australia any more.

Lest We Forget...Remember when we were free. We fought hard for our freedoms.

Australians will decide when they have had enough of this crap.

Does anybody on this forum know someone who has the corona virus?
After 4 months I don't, my wife doesn't, my sister and her family don't. My hair dresser does not know of anybody, my work contacts in Sydney know of no one, the local bakery operator knows of no one, my chemist does not know of anybody who has this virus.

The only people I have heard about who have this virus are those that the media has told us about....and who believes a word that comes out of their mouths?

But when the flu season begins we all know someone who has got the flu...and if you think the flu is nothing then you have not had it.


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Post  Wombat on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:58 am

I saw on the news last night that there could be a World class action against China for over 11 trillion dollars in compensation for not getting the word out earlier than they did. If it goes ahead and the World wins it could break China's economy for decades.

Adrian by the looks of your last 2nd last comment I would say that your PC could have the Covid-19 bug, mate Working on computer hammer the PC Holy MolyV41  V32
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Post  adrian ss on Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:09 am

I think you be right mate ,. I might give it a dose of Irish moss. That stuff fixes everything

I reckon China owes the worlds countries more money than they can print out in a month. They are very good at printing a bit of cash when they need it.
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Post  adrian ss on Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:14 am

My daughter in Sydney has been looking into the so called laws governing our activities during this situation.
There are no Laws in place, the fines being issued are by police discretion. NSW has no limit on how far you can travel for exercise. (daughter is a fitness fanatic). You can meet up for walking/exercise with one other person but a bloke got fined for stopping to buy a kebab while on a run.

We are allowed to buy takeaway food and to exercise but it would seem that the police are having trouble deciding whether it is ok to do both at the same time.

Ye Gods and little fishes. Have people lost their minds completely.


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Post  Kon61gold on Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:30 pm

You & I both Axtyr, you & I both.
The day stage 3 restrictions are lifted/reduced & travel is once again allowed, It will be a charge of the light brigade. Shocked Q35
Sorry Adrian, but I'm not that computer educated enough, to tell you as to why you haven't got access to seeing the emoticons. Hopefully someone else on here, might be able to enlighten you further as to what the problem you're experiencing might be.

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Post  Mechanic on Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:41 pm

adrian ss wrote:Shades of Gestapo and Hitler tactics.
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/couple-spotted-sitting-in-car-fined-2000/3989732/
Australia is not Australia any more.

Lest We Forget...Remember when we were free. We fought hard for our freedoms.

Australians will decide when they have had enough of this crap.

Does anybody on this forum know someone who has the corona virus?
After 4 months I don't, my wife doesn't, my sister and her family don't. My hair dresser does not know of anybody, my work contacts in Sydney know of no one, the local bakery operator knows of no one, my chemist does not know of anybody who has this virus.

The only people I have heard about who have this virus are those that the media has told us about....and who believes a word that comes out of their mouths?

But when the flu season begins we all know someone who has got the flu...and if you think the flu is nothing then you have not had it.
Adrian, With the low number of infected people that we have here in australia, it is statistically unlikely that you would know anyone with it.

Can I ask you what action you think the government should have taken when a highly infectious virus came onto our island?
Just let it spread, or try to stop it?

Problem is that people with it can spread it while they show no symptoms at all, so by the time you know somebody with it, you also have it. Then you will complain that the government didn't do enough to stop it!

I don't know anyone personally with it, but do know of 3 cases from overseas that have resulted in death. I also have a friend who works in a hospital here who has seen first hand coronavirus patients.

If you think it is all a load of sh!t, then go to one of the hospitals with patients on intensive care and go and sit next to them for a while.

FFS, just stay at home, the longer we all do this the sooner we can have our freedoms back! Don't continue the spread, just stay in bed!! Laughing

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Post  davsgold on Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:28 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Fellas, I'm quite sure the "finger of blame" will be pointed in more than one direction, the moment the world starts getting back on its feet, but for the time being, we the people of Australia, must do the right thing & continue to do the right thing, in order to have this virus under control/manageable, till some form of vaccine or cure comes to light. If all the current stats read true, a few more weeks adhering to the rules/restrictions set down before us, is not to much to ask for, in the hope of getting our lives back on track.
As for the cost to our economy, we can only take things one day at a time, for no one can see whats to come, but you can bet on one thing, where there's a will to survive, man will find a way.

Cheers Kon. T25

Kon I'm sure your right about the blame game and finger pointing down the track a bit.  In the mean time we just want this to be over and done with as fast as possible.

As for a vaccine any time soon seems like a very remote possibility to me, they have not even got a vaccine for the SARS virus (SARS-CoV-2) after more that 8 years ago, and the Corona virus (COVID-19) is a very very similar virus, note: the CoV part in both names, and the number only refers to the year, SARS in 2002 and Corona in 2019

When Labs start playing around with virus for whatever reason and then somehow they manage to escape, deliberate or accidental the result is the same.

It is very strange that both the SARS and the Covid19 both originated in CHINA, not being racist at all here, but blind Freddie could see the link here.

The Spanish Flu virus in the  pandemic in 1918 to 1920 completely disappeared from the face of the earth, and scientists had to recover it from mass graves in Alaska and some other preserved tissue that was kept, they then rejuvenated this extinct virus to understand its properties etc etc

This Spanish flu pandemic infected 1/3 of the world population at the time and killed over 50 million, at the time there were zero medicines of any use for it  and Penicillin had not been invented yet and all they could do was isolate, keep the sick away from the healthy and wait.

Well it worked and that virus was totally extinct for the next nearly 100 years until they worked out a way to bring it back to life to study it.    

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Post  Kon61gold on Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:30 pm

Dave, I know not of anyone, that wouldn't want to see this new viral crises come to an end, including me, but it is what it is & I do believe our government is/has taken the right steps in order to get on top of it, so that we all can get back on with our normal everyday lives once more.
A nearby cure is only wishful thinking by me, but if enough money is invested/pumped into anything, miracles can & do happen. Mean time we just have to stay positive.
Mistakes for what ever the reason, deliberate or not, will continue to happen, for this is the path man inadvertently takes from time to time, but blind Freddy, will continue to remain blind, as long as profit takes priority over all things, as is in this case of this corona virus outbreak, for if proper hygiene standard's were to be properly managed/enforced, instead of turning a blind eye to, all this might have never occurred in the first place.
 

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Post  adrian ss on Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:48 pm

Mechanic wrote:
adrian ss wrote:Shades of Gestapo and Hitler tactics.
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/couple-spotted-sitting-in-car-fined-2000/3989732/
Australia is not Australia any more.

Lest We Forget...Remember when we were free. We fought hard for our freedoms.

Australians will decide when they have had enough of this crap.

Does anybody on this forum know someone who has the corona virus?
After 4 months I don't, my wife doesn't, my sister and her family don't. My hair dresser does not know of anybody, my work contacts in Sydney know of no one, the local bakery operator knows of no one, my chemist does not know of anybody who has this virus.

The only people I have heard about who have this virus are those that the media has told us about....and who believes a word that comes out of their mouths?

But when the flu season begins we all know someone who has got the flu...and if you think the flu is nothing then you have not had it.
Adrian, With the low number of infected people that we have here in australia, it is statistically unlikely that you would know anyone with it.

Can I ask you what action you think the government should have taken when a highly infectious virus came onto our island?
Just let it spread, or try to stop it?

Problem is that people with it can spread it while they show no symptoms at all, so by the time you know somebody with it, you also have it. Then you will complain that the government didn't do enough to stop it!

I don't know anyone personally with it, but do know of 3 cases from overseas that have resulted in death. I also have a friend who works in a hospital here who has seen first hand coronavirus patients.

If you think it is all a load of sh!t, then go to one of the hospitals with patients on intensive care and go and sit next to them for a while.

FFS, just stay at home, the longer we all do this the sooner we can have our freedoms back! Don't continue the spread, just stay in bed!!  Laughing

Cheers Mick

I think that what is being done to control this virus is working but what I do not understand is why the same precautions are not taken during flu season because the flu is highly contagious, it is deadly to people with weak immune systems, like the corona virus it is carried in your body for up to two weeks while incubating and it is contagious during this time and the reason far more people contract the flu than the corona virus and why those who die is because we do not take any precautions to stop it other than suggesting people get a flu shot. Why is it ok to spread the flu to many hundreds of thousands of people and to let approx 100,000 people die from this virus but not ok for the corona virus and instead, destroy the worlds economy.

When the various flu strains eventuated there were no vaccines and the world was not placed in lock down.

I have had a flu virus once (do not know which one it was). Started out as a bit of a cold sniffle and within a few days had progressed to bloody awful. A week in bed unable to think clearly and feeling so freaking crook I did not think I would make it. 8 weeks later it had pretty much cleared up although there are days when I think it never went away completely......So don't anybody tell me the flu is nothing. That was a very long time ago and I have not had the flu since then and colds are few and far between. I seem to have acquired some immunity to those little bugs.
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Post  davsgold on Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:34 pm

forget random breath testing, it's now random Corona Virus testing
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Post  adrian ss on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:06 pm

If you are out and about and think that you might have a bit of a temp from a cold and don't want to get nailed with a random temp check, take a couple of panadol every 5 or 6 hours. That will drop your temp a bit and stop the testers from running around in blind panic screaming Corona!, corona! myyyy corona!! Fine im 1000 dollars We are all gunna die! ....To bad if you just lost your job because of the lock down regs and now have to line up in a cue at C Link and beg for some money just to get by on.
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Post  Kon61gold on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:26 pm

Adrian, we are not the governing officials of this country nor state. They were voted in power by the people, for the people & the measures they have taken in order to save lives from such a crisis, have so far been above reproach.  Now its not going to suit, nor be in the interest of many, but compared to the rest of the world figures/stats, I'v got to give credit to where credit is due, for the results are starting to speak for themselves.
No government would go out of its way to deliberately destroy its own economy when its economy is going good, nor is any one country, a winner here.
As far as I'm concerned, no one asked for this, nor wanted this to happen, for the whole world is paying the price, but for whatever the reason/s it has happened, it is here & there isn't a government in the world, that isn't going nor hasn't gone out of there way, to keep the cost of civilian casualties/lives lost, to an absolute minimum.
BTW, considering the latest news concerning the spread/contraction rate of COVID-19 here in Australia, only a matter of time now, before we see the trickling down/easing up, of stage 3 restrictions.

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Post  planetcare on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:49 pm

adrian ss wrote:
I think that what is being done to control this virus is working but what I do not understand is why the same precautions are not taken during flu season because the flu is highly contagious, it is deadly to people with weak immune systems, like the corona virus it is carried in your body for up to two weeks while incubating and it is contagious during this time and the reason far more people contract the flu than the corona virus and why those who die is because we do not take any precautions to stop it other than suggesting people get a flu shot. Why is it ok to spread the flu to many hundreds of thousands of people and to let approx 100,000 people die from this virus but not ok for the corona virus and instead, destroy the worlds economy.

When the various flu strains eventuated there were no vaccines and the world was not placed in lock down.

     
The answer to this is that we have no immunity to corona virus and no vaccine unlike the flu. Corona virus for reasons that are not understood is also killing some younger apparently healthy people.Its also appears to be far more infectious than the flu and the simultaneous infection of the flu and corona is something that is  really worrying the medical profession. The corona virus will ultimately infect and kill more people globally than any  pandemic since the Spanish flu. We already have 148,000 dead (probably an under estimate!) and over 2.1 million infections. As the infections spread to more countries with poor health systems and little testing the global outcome is grim. Some worst case scenario modeling  suggests that if the world did little or nothing to control the virus then up t0 80% of the global population could ultimately become infected! With a death rate of only 1% I will leave you folk here to work out how many people would die in such a  scenario and what the  global economic consequences would be.

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Post  Slavitoooo on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:53 pm

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Post  davsgold on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:59 pm

Maybe something like this wiped out the Mayan civilization in south america, they seemed fairly advanced for the time and even had a calendar which ended in 2012, which some thought was going to be the end of the world Laughing  my be the Mayan just ran out of ink (Stone) to finish the calendar, or they all died from some virus way back then.

PS: I think you have a better chance of surviving the corona virus than a bit from that snake


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Post  Mechanic on Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:00 pm

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/national-flu-toll-tops-250

The flu has vaccinations available, corona, none.
We know the long term effects of the flu, we know nothing of this new virus.
The flu has a pretty good herd immunity so not everyone will/can get it, with corona, there in no herd immunity, if let to run its coarse it will infect up to 18,000,000 Aussies and of that we would expect to see about 180,000 deaths or a lot more. And that is on its first trip through.

And to be frank, I don't want this in me, so if you don't give a rats ass about it, please keep your germs to yourself!
Do some research on a bloke called Francis Boyle, find out who he is and what significant things he has done and see if you can find his learned opinion of the corona virus.

Do hospitals normally get over-run during a normal flu season?

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