Coming to WA in 2012 ?? - Beware.

For all the members planning a trip over here in 2012 do yourself a favour and read the following link,
There is absolutely no need for this type of behavior, with all the pending ground available at any
given time.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/news/11255442/pirate-prospecting-on-the-rise/

Also here is a link to using the WA Tengraph online tenements system to identify the pending areas,

http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/3980.aspx

Also for the members who are not up to speed on how to use this online system, here is a link
to a "Tengraph for learners" Guide.

http://www.gold-prospecting-wa.com/tengraph.html


Good luck & HH to all next season.



Pete in WA

Geessh thats a low blow, they steal the guys heavy mining equipment to go out and mine his property, what has the world come to.

Whats next will they be making him mine it for them too

Hey pete, I reckon most of those criminals don't need to cross any border's.

Not pointing fingers here "inhere"

Just trying to help the members thats all and nothing more......





Pete in WA

Pete there wouldnt be one person in any forum that is squeaky clean, this side of the line or the other.

Regards
Oneday69

oneday

Very tru words mate.


Pete in WA

Well, I don't know about you guys but I never got a zac that never knocked skin off me.

Your a funny lot over there, complex???

If someone was going to use a lease owners own machinery to rob their lease, it would make sense that, that somebody would know
where the lease owner was, while the robbing was going on and there was no chance of the lease owner turning up to spoil the fun.

That would point to a local or rather locals.

Hey Pete,

point well taken...thanks.

Flak

Anytime old buddy,

"inhere"
No-one is perfect, and no-one is certainly pointing fingers saying you do this,or you did that,
all i simply did was to relay some good info to the forum members with no malace or intent, its up to
the reader to take or leave the info, thats all.

Complex ???

Not at all, we are all eager gold hunters on this forum one and all..

Geez why did i bother






Pete in WA

OK, sorry pete, fact is I was a little miffed at a smart ass response from a little "real estater" on another forum
and this just happened by.

Hey no problemo's .

I tell you what Pete......just to be on the safe side I reckon you should PM me all the tasty bits of legal ground your going to be working next season just to be sure I`m not in the wrong

oneday69 wrote:Pete there wouldnt be one person in any forum that is squeaky clean, this side of the line or the other.

Regards
Oneday69

I reject your inference that I knowingly would break the law on mining whatever state I am living in or visiting !!

The fact is that u have to know were u r exactly and whether u have a legal right to detector befor u swing..u cannot pleed ignorance in court or to the local gold squad (police)..As one prospector found out, wrong place wrong time --lost his gold and a fine..

If the area is covered by a granted lease no matter what it is --it belongs to someone else..Get permission

If it is pending without underlying tenement holders then go for it.

This is the inference--It is written in black and white---"Knowingly" wont gell in legal terms.

Too be sure to be sure..
Regards
Oneday69

oneday69 wrote:The fact is that u have to know were u r exactly and whether u have a legal right to detector befor u swing..u cannot pleed ignorance in court or to the local gold squad (police)..As one prospector found out, wrong place wrong time --lost his gold and a fine..

If the area is covered by a granted lease no matter what it is --it belongs to someone else..Get permission

If it is pending without underlying tenement holders then go for it.

This is the inference--It is written in black and white---"Knowingly" wont gell in legal terms.

Too be sure to be sure..
Regards
Oneday69

I will take and have done so ALL reasonable steps to make sure im not doing the wrong thing!! as I said to a ranger a while back "your Dept is charged under the legislation to sign the tracks that lead into flora /fauna areas" I had already made a special trip to Bendigo to work out on my maps where it was legal to go in this area. Its not my fault that all the deps were as helpful as teats on a bull! the official word was "ahh dont make a mess and fill yer holes and all should be good" can I have that in writing!! you can imagine the exodus to the back room when I asked that one

Hi
I was talking to a bloke at the Marble Bar Pub W.A. two weeks ago.
He went with his Son out to his lease to chase 7 Caravan’s set up on his lease.
Paper work in hand he said it was lucky they were big blokes as it got very heated in the eviction.
They then noticed they just moved on to the next lease set up.
He said they had had enough by this time and left them there.
Regards Neale

"I will take and have done so ALL reasonable steps to make sure im not doing the wrong thing!!"

The point is Murachu, that is not good enough in WA!
There most often won't be a proper lease setup, with posts defining corners.

You are just expected to know exactly where the lease is and exactly where you are, forget about signs, the onus is on you.

Now that can be bad enough for most that have been in the game a while
but do you think that your GPS is always right? I have had many things throw both of mine way out.

Now, Imagine ma and pa who just do a bit of casual detecting as they travel through
the state. Well to stay legal (If they are lucky) they need all the maps, GPS, etc
that we keen guys use, as well as being experts on tengraph.

It is a BS system that needs some rational though but hey, this is WA.

shelby23 wrote:Hi
I was talking to a bloke at the Marble Bar Pub W.A. two weeks ago.
He went with his Son out to his lease to chase 7 Caravan’s set up on his lease.
Paper work in hand he said it was lucky they were big blokes as it got very heated in the eviction.
They then noticed they just moved on to the next lease set up.
He said they had had enough by this time and left them there.
Regards Neale

I heard one like that about 10 caravans out at 6 mile (sandstone WA) and the owner told them to ........well leave .With a bit more language.

[quote="
It is a BS system that needs some rational though but hey, this is WA.[/quote]

Totally agree with you there, bloody real-estate owners are a curse to the prospector
and the future mineral wealth of any state in oz.....

All "EL" leases should be openned up to the humble detectorists/scratchers.



Pete in WA

Happy you agree Pete, my point is, those ma and pa's spend lots of money and keep outback WA alive
and they tend to cop a bad rap from some.

I think the Ma & Pa get a bad wrap for sure, its actually those ppl that take the time to get "20a's" and
yes they do add to the local bush econemy in most states gold areas, look at poor old Tarnagulla in vic,
Van park closed and town died in an instant.



Pete in WA

The leasholder who has 3 leases out at the six mile, Sandstone hadn't done any work on any of his leases last time I was there. He complained about people going on his lease yet he doesn't work it. Plus I never saw any pegs of any description last time I was there.

If he is going to peg leases covering what has been a favourite detecting spot for hundreds, if not thousands of people since the 1970's he should expect those sort of problems. The only way out of it is to peg the leases clearly and put up signage that clearly states his boundaries.

Its my opinion places like that should be saved as designated fossicking areas and closed off to all leaseholders. If they aren't working it they should lose it. I informed the mines department about this bloke not having done any work on his leases since he got them but as usual nothing has been done.

Cheers, Jim

granite2 wrote:The leasholder who has 3 leases out at the six mile, Sandstone hadn't done any work on any of his leases last time I was there. He complained about people going on his lease yet he doesn't work it. Plus I never saw any pegs of any description last time I was there.

If he is going to peg leases covering what has been a favourite detecting spot for hundreds, if not thousands of people since the 1970's he should expect those sort of problems. The only way out of it is to peg the leases clearly and put up signage that clearly states his boundaries.

Its my opinion places like that should be saved as designated fossicking areas and closed off to all leaseholders. If they aren't working it they should lose it. I informed the mines department about this bloke not having done any work on his leases since he got them but as usual nothing has been done.

Cheers, Jim

exactely i was thinking the same, these famous prospecting locations such as the pearling ground,6 mile and specking patch should be free for all.That sort of thing really annoys me they get a lease and don't do anything with it ,like they enjoy telling people to go away and keeping it to themselves.excellent point Jim

Hang on a minute fellas...Just because u own a house and its vacant doesnt give u or anyone else to squat..

If u think that an area should be made into Common ground -then write to the minister and put your ideas and concerns forward..

A individual may own a series of leases and spend a small fortune working one--he can by law write of some of the expenditure against others.

There is absolitely nothing stopping u people peging your own patch of ground--tengraph ---use it.

Regards
Oneday69

fair enough oneday69 i just hate when people have famous patches such as the 6 mile and the pearling ground and expect people to stay far away. I know of people that have found ounces on ground they shouldn't have been on .I know a guy who found a 4 ounce piece on a private lease near cue.A lot of people do illegel prospecting and the owners don't give a s..t. I asked someone (a frequent prospector ) about tengraph he said 'WHAT,' he didn't even know what tengraph was.lack of education about this software means people give up and do what they want especially old prospectors not saying all old prospectors do.But Tengraph good tool if one knows how to use it.

The similie of having a vacant house doesn't hold anymore water than those saying about folks comparing going on a lease to invading a city blokes back yard, they are vastly different things. Even if you don't take the enormous difference in size into account.

As the law stands we cannot go anywhere on the six mile where gold is likely to be found but must only work areas outside the leases. And it isn't likely that any of us eastern staters would want to have a lease in WA. It is simply too hard to live here and have a lease over there that we can access only a few weeks or months a year. As for writing to the minister... writing to God would have about the same effect.

All I can say is I don't think it is right but at the same time I cannot see anyway of changing things the way they are.

Cheers, Jim

We have to think about this it is not ''his,'' land it is the people of Australia's, our country isn't owned by one person or another (that's if nobody lives there that is) he is just borrowing it. If your not using it why be greedy why not share it with everyone we all pay taxes we should have a right to own land if we wont.BUT wait there are greedy people out there that can't share there land (sad people) with anyone else if your not using it why be greedy share it with your fellow Australians.

I am with Oneday69 on this one!

If you don't have permission, stay off. Not owning a GPS and not knowing how to use Tengraph is a very stupid excuse and Inhere IS well aware of that. Anybody travelling through outback WA should know where they are and where they are going to. When you intend to swing a detector (whether on a planned detecting trip or just whilst travelling through) you know what you are getting yourself into! Not knowing where you are is by no means an excuse.

Sorry people your arguments does not hold any water. It's that simple: If you don't have permission, stay off!

Obviously I support Sean Ashcroft, APLA and the Mines Dept in any effort in making everything more transparent. That includes more effective control and policing of tennements!

A bit more: With my experience in legal matters there is three things that's important:
1. Is there a Rule?
2. Is the offender aware of the rule?
3. Was the rule broken or not?
I tell you what, if youre on somebody else's lease, there is no way that you will get away by applying the above!

Best

Kudu

I am not saying i do (because i don't i follow the rules) but there is a lot of people that don't follow the rules and until it is easer to bust these people they will keep doing it i saw three caravans out when i was out that where on 'green land,' I don't know whether they where meant to be there or not.But if i want to report them i wouldn't because A)i don't know where to start B)it is to hard and i can't be bothered.so if your doing the wrong thing and i see you i probably wont care.It's to hard i don't even know where to report it.




illegel prospectors .just having fun

It is my information that 2/3rds of WA is auriferous, that is, gold can be found on it. It is also my information that ALL of this land, and more is pegged in one way or another by big companies. Under this you can then find the actual working mines owned by large companies then the land pegged by Real Estaters and those individuals who have more than one mining lease. In fact there is no known gold producing land left in WA that is not covered, or about to be covered (pending) by leases. With this the case how are those who wish to do a bit of casual prospecting going to go about it? The draconian mining laws of WA have no place in a democracy such as Australia, yet they persist. Why do they persist? Because good men have not done enough. In fact against the might of the big companies and an uncaring state government very little CAN be done.

Victoria, on the other hand has much more just laws for the prospector, we can go on a EL at any time and there are very few small prospectors in Vic.

Long live the PMAV