We are one Step Away from Becoming North Korea

A lot of trials are of the scatter gun approach, try a thousand things and something might work, which is fine.
eye of newt, venom from a viper, or blood from a gnat
The thing is they have to be passed by the governing bodies of the country you live in.
Some countries try and regulate these snake oil remedies but have little success, i.e. rhinoceros's horn or the tiger's you know what
Trial and error has been around for millennia but don't let popular/social media get in the way of true scientific research -WAIT


cheers moredeep

https://www.pfizer.com/science/vaccines/milestones

I think you'll find that all vaccines pass stringent trials Dave.
What's the alternative, when our children start to get sick and die??????.
I think you'll find that parental consent will be needed.



cheers   moredeep

Sad to see & quite unfortunate to have come down to even thinking of vaccinating young children bellow the age of twelve Dave but, the times are what they are & covid-19 especially that of this new delta strain, has shown to have no mercy on anyone young or old.
One thing people must try to understand here is that, just like covid vaccines are not 100% safe for use on everyone, neither is catching this new strain of covid unvaccinated & hoping to pull through it (short term or long term) completely unscathed.
The sciences/medical profession, just doesn't have the years of vaccine use behind them as yet, in order to draw a more appropriate & safe evaluation/conclusion, into the possible long term effects they may have on adults, not alone small children.
No doubt as time goes by, both the sciences/medical profession, will eventually have the answers they seek, but until then, its a case of maybe damned if we do, or much higher chance of damned if we don't.
The only thing proven by vaccines so far, is that the fully vaccinated have 10 times more chance of not becoming seriously ill upon contracting covid-19, as compared to that of the fully unvaccinated.

Kon.

The only reason there is no major kerfuffle as you say is because the states have gone in very hard on stopping this virus from
getting to you or your loved ones. Try living in a country were it has run rampant and saying what is all the kerfuffle about.
Once again we do live in a lucky country, some just can't see it.



cheers moredeep

Adrian, the delta strain is far more contagious & dangerous to what some people might think. The figures you see today from delta, are because of such severe/harsh lockdowns & even under these harsh lockdowns, the number of covid infections grow. No doubt we'll have a different story or picture to tell a month or two after curfews & restrictions are removed, opening up to unrestricted travel once again.
If hospitals are struggling with the small number of covid patients they have now, I dread to see what happens a couple of months after the removal of restrictions.
This is why there is a rush by government to get as many people fully vaccinated, surpassing that of the 80% mark of the population, very well knowing of what's to be expected if they open up to soon.    

Kon.

Sadly & even as we speak its not looking good with the protesters part Adrian. Some earth tremors we've had in the not so distant past have led to a small earthquake today. Lets hope we're not in for anything bigger than a magnitude of 6

Kon.

adrian ss wrote:Difficult to work out what makes those people tick the way they do. For sure the average IQ of that mob would be in the low 90s (Moron Level)  with very little problem solving ability.. It is almost impossible to communicate with that type. A heavy hand is required.

Really, so you guys think it's quite ok to have your rights taken away in big chunks now, not just in little bits like over the previous years.

mad dan is a dictator on manic proportions surely you can see that.

I think everyone has a right to protest when and if it affects them, mad dan closed down the construction industry for VIC, and this is one of his messages.

" "Dan Andrews, the premier for the Australian state of Victoria, drew ire when he recently stated that the country will move past simply keeping people “locked down” and start making sure that people who have not taken a COVID vaccine are “locked out” of normal life,"

So for something that you have to be tested for to even know if you have it, is this an ok way to treat the general population.

Lets face it wether you have been jabbed once or twice on not at all everyone is being treated the same, told what to do how to do it and when to do it, and you still think it's ok, well ask yourself what's next, how high are you willing to jump for the ones in charge.

cheers dave

Dave, we're talking about a dangerous pandemic that has taken the world by storm, not some made up conspiracy theory.
I too believe in freedom of speech as well as individual rights, but not when it places peoples lives in jeopardy.
Yes people are screaming murder, sick of the lockdowns, good wages being replaced by the dole, but this is the path our government has chosen to take & should we not abide by such law in favour of protecting our lives?
Surely you must have picked up by now on how I feel about any politician, who together with the police are all comfortably getting paid full wages, whilst many a tradie/business are currently struggling/losing out big time, but it is what it is. How can any business or construction firm run, when workers are infected/sick, down & out with covid-19?
Two things to consider here, one is that new mutating variant strains are on the rise & created mostly by the unvaccinated, then introduced to the whole (which could lead to more health issues/problems down the track for the many) & two; how much of a rise in deaths do we need to see in our hospitals, in order to get it through peoples heads, that this virus is not a made up  conspiracy, but real & people are dying from it & the only reassuring hope we have of getting through it, is through vaccinations, together with other protective procedures set in place.
The government might be far from perfect in the way they have gone about towards the handling of covid-19 here in Australia, but when one looks into other countries stats
& goes through their facts & figures, even with blunder after blunder, Australia has managed so far extremely well, towards keeping the contraction of covid-19, as well as the number of deaths  to a minimum.

Kon.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-tradies-take-smoko-on-main-roads-in-protest-over-tearoom-ban-20210917-p58sn9.html

The main reason is above, these non compliant workers are spreading the virus.
Other industries are doing their bit to keep their workers safe.
Once again its a health directive that each state is following and soon I think will become a national directive.
As to the protests, fine do it peacefully and covid safe, these thugs are attacking police which is unacceptable behaviour.
These thugs would be the first to run to the police and sook that someone stole their broom broom car or similar AND demand immediate help.
These thugs would more than likely be the first in the que trying to get medical help when they are dying from covid because it was their right not to get vaccinated

cheers   moredeep

adrian ss wrote:

Yes Dan is an up and coming dictator..Agreed.
We will always have a right to protest (Peacefully) but when the protesters become infiltrated by a manic mob of thugs the situation changes.
A protest is not about smashing windows, breaking down doors and entering buildings illegally, kicking dogs and horses and punching innocent people, overturning cars and police vehicles abusing news cameramen, throwing rocks and iron bars at people etc etc.  When this happens it is not possible to separate
the genuine protester from the dangerous troglodyte riff raff. When that happens the police and other law enforcement people must target everybody protesting,

Yes I totally agree the protests should be peaceful and non violent, I watched the live video stream yesterday for the protest in Melbourne, and 99% of the time they were just walking along chanting there slogans.

But I find it a bit odd and a bit of a setup when a news media camera person is just in the right place at the right time when cop car gets hit by someone, like it was meant to happen right there and then.

These protestors walked around for 8 hours yesterday, all through the center of Melbourne and right up and on to the center of the West gate bridge.  Nothing happened until on the way back down the riot cops blocked the road and forced the protestors to cross to the other side of the freeway into oncoming traffic, which was basically at a stand still anyway.

Now the riot cops were firing rubber bullets/beanbags at the oncoming protestors and there was bit of a standoff and some water bottles were thrown in the direction of the riot cops, so everyone just crossed the road and kept walking, no big deal.

Same as when earlier in the day if the riot cops had a street blocked the protestors had a bit of a tit for tat and then walked down the opposite street, big deal.

Yes I think there were some infiltrators sent into the crowd to cause a runkas right where main stream media were just to get there "Violent" footage.

On the whole for hours on end they just walked and held up traffic all the way to the center of the west gate bridge and back.  Some of them said there tracker said they had walked 22kms for the day, so I guess they slept well that night.

cheers dave

davsgold wrote:

adrian ss wrote:

Yes Dan is an up and coming dictator..Agreed.
We will always have a right to protest (Peacefully) but when the protesters become infiltrated by a manic mob of thugs the situation changes.
A protest is not about smashing windows, breaking down doors and entering buildings illegally, kicking dogs and horses and punching innocent people, overturning cars and police vehicles abusing news cameramen, throwing rocks and iron bars at people etc etc.  When this happens it is not possible to separate
the genuine protester from the dangerous troglodyte riff raff. When that happens the police and other law enforcement people must target everybody protesting,

Yes I totally agree the protests should be peaceful and non violent, I watched the live video stream yesterday for the protest in Melbourne, and 99% of the time they were just walking along chanting there slogans.

But I find it a bit odd and a bit of a setup when a news media camera person is just in the right place at the right time when cop car gets hit by someone, like it was meant to happen right there and then.

These protestors walked around for 8 hours yesterday, all through the center of Melbourne and right up and on to the center of the West gate bridge.  Nothing happened until on the way back down the riot cops blocked the road and forced the protestors to cross to the other side of the freeway into oncoming traffic, which was basically at a stand still anyway.

Now the riot cops were firing rubber bullets/beanbags at the oncoming protestors and there was bit of a standoff and some water bottles were thrown in the direction of the riot cops, so everyone just crossed the road and kept walking, no big deal.

Same as when earlier in the day if the riot cops had a street blocked the protestors had a bit of a tit for tat and then walked down the opposite street, big deal.

Yes I think there were some infiltrators sent into the crowd to cause a runkas right where main stream media were just to get there "Violent" footage.

On the whole for hours on end they just walked and held up traffic all the way to the center of the west gate bridge and back.  Some of them said there tracker said they had walked 22kms for the day, so I guess they slept well that night.

cheers dave

However just by assembling they were breaking the law (health directives). A good way to start a super spreader event!!

planetcare wrote:

However just by assembling they were breaking the law (health directives). A good way to start a super spreader event!!

These are not Laws, a directive or rules yes, that is a good idea to follow yes, but it is not a law,

davsgold wrote:

planetcare wrote:

However just by assembling they were breaking the law (health directives). A good way to start a super spreader event!!

These are not Laws, a directive or rules yes, that is a good idea to follow yes, but it is not a law,

No the health directives are law which is why people are being fined for disobeying them!

planetcare wrote:

No the health directives are law which is why people are being fined for disobeying them!

and they are getting thrown out of court at the same rate the cops are issuing them.

So you think the girl Monica Smit they have locked up as a political prisoner in VIC is a good idea? she could get bail if she disbanded her political party and signed documents to say she would toe the governments line.

davsgold wrote:

planetcare wrote:

No the health directives are law which is why people are being fined for disobeying them!

and they are getting thrown out of court at the same rate the cops are issuing them.

So you think the girl Monica Smit  they have locked up as a political prisoner in VIC is a good idea? she could get bail if she disbanded her political party and signed documents to say she would toe the governments line.

Many of the fines have not gone to court because of covid but many have also been paid!
Who is Monica smit?

Reignite Democracy Australia (RDA) was founded by Monica Smit in response to the Victorian government’s catastrophic handling of the COVID pandemic.

https://www.reignitedemocracyaustralia.com.au/about/

She is in Jail as a political prisoner, the Supreme Court of VIC heard her bail application today and has changed the condition originally set, which I described in post above.

Now at least the conditions are a fraction more reasonable.

davsgold wrote:Reignite Democracy Australia (RDA) was founded by Monica Smit in response to the Victorian government’s catastrophic handling of the COVID pandemic.

https://www.reignitedemocracyaustralia.com.au/about/

She is in Jail as a political prisoner, the Supreme Court of VIC heard her bail application today and has changed the condition originally set, which I described in post above.

Now at least the conditions are a fraction more reasonable.  

No she was in custody for breaking the law and refusing to accept the bail conditions imposed by a magistrate.

You know fellas, I read carefully on all that's been said & put down, but give thanks to the nation I live in. If we were protesting/voicing our individual rights/thoughts in some other countries of the world, it be more than just a covid jab we'd be receiving right now.  
Agree Adrian & the footage of that of the CFMEU official, seen whopping heads with that hand held megaphone till it broke (during the invasion of the CFMEU Office), were as real as it gets.

Kon.

can someone explain why politicians are exempt from getting the jab, look it up if you don't believe it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/congress-exempt-biden-covid-19-vaccine-mandate

That's what happens when history isn't taught much in schools anymore Adrian, generations soon forget the sacrifices that were made.


cheers   moredeep

ps history is also there to help people not to make the same mistakes