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someday Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:06 pm

Any chance of the foot stamping method working in this situation to predict depth? Very Happy

and thanks Yoda cheers

OOPS almost forgot Q41

slimpickens Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:20 pm

Ian Parker wrote:
snapper wrote:I don't think you can devine for water or gold on their own, but where there is water or an old river or creek bed at depth there is probably a build up of minerals including gold if its in the area, this could be why a deviner reacts to the minerals just like the detector does over mineralized ground,
just my 2 bobs worth, Stu
Almost spot on Stu. But both water and gold can take on a static charge. If you take a look at a Triboelectric chart you will see gold takes on a negative charge. The thing is that it is both the same charge so difficult to discriminate one from the other. Like having a box of apples, it's all apples! When a detector coil is made there is a thin faraday shield placed around the coils to stop this charge entering the coils.
Mineralization and ground balancing is different again. Caused by what is know as magnetic permeability. The permeability of substances is it's ability to let a magnetic field pass through the substance. Like conductivity for electricity. In a DD coil the first coil sends a magnetic field to the second coil. If the coils are moved over a substance like gold the permeability between the two coils is better and the second coil receives more magnetic field and produces more signal. As we move a DD coil around the permeability of the soil changes with mineralization and we have to stop and ground balance or switch to Auto balance.

I like finding the charge of the water/gold/apples! My theory is that if I am prospecting an area where I know there have been gold barring reefs around, then if I find an underground stream I stand an excellent chance of getting gold if I dig down to that stream.

There's plenty of people on this forum who are going to say that your talking out of your a*se hole Ian, so why don't you show them all the gold you've found with your divining rods, that will shut them up.

Guest Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:25 pm

It all reminds me of that first star wars show where Luke Skywalker stacks his fighter in the mud and that little green dude Yoda appears and says mmmm.. Help you I can. The young Luke Skywalker laughs at this tiny green dude. Yoda shakes his head and says mmmm... MUCH TO LEARN... YOU HAVE.

I know of a site that loves Star Wars Laughing

Resist their attempts to convert you to the dark side, as the force is strong with you "Ian Parker"

kon61 Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:53 pm

Someday,of course there's a chance of the foot stomping method predicting depth.To prove this theory,all one has to do,is jump onto some old backfilled mine shafts and keep stomping those feet till the false bottom gives way. Shocked

Cheers Kon. What a Face

PS."Warning,dire consequences",I highly recommend that nobody put the above statement to the test. affraid

Ian Parker Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:04 pm

shiraz wrote:
Ian Parker wrote:
snapper wrote:I don't think you can devine for water or gold on their own, but where there is water or an old river or creek bed at depth there is probably a build up of minerals including gold if its in the area, this could be why a deviner reacts to the minerals just like the detector does over mineralized ground,
just my 2 bobs worth, Stu
Almost spot on Stu. But both water and gold can take on a static charge. If you take a look at a Triboelectric chart you will see gold takes on a negative charge. The thing is that it is both the same charge so difficult to discriminate one from the other. Like having a box of apples, it's all apples! When a detector coil is made there is a thin faraday shield placed around the coils to stop this charge entering the coils.
Mineralization and ground balancing is different again. Caused by what is know as magnetic permeability. The permeability of substances is it's ability to let a magnetic field pass through the substance. Like conductivity for electricity. In a DD coil the first coil sends a magnetic field to the second coil. If the coils are moved over a substance like gold the permeability between the two coils is better and the second coil receives more magnetic field and produces more signal. As we move a DD coil around the permeability of the soil changes with mineralization and we have to stop and ground balance or switch to Auto balance.

I like finding the charge of the water/gold/apples! My theory is that if I am prospecting an area where I know there have been gold barring reefs around, then if I find an underground stream I stand an excellent chance of getting gold if I dig down to that stream.
There's plenty of people on this forum who are going to say that your talking out of your a*se hole Ian, so why don't you show them all the gold you've found with your divining rods, that will shut them up.

I would love to but I am new here and still cant post pics for a few days. I'm a very good diviner and haven't just found gold. I've also found lost jewellery and other things that I would rather not mention. I did a lot of prospecting years ago and found lots of gold, but unfortunately my bloody Ex wife now wears it all! I've only just returned back to Melbourne after 20 years in mining and went straight back to where I used to go. To my surprise everything was just the same. I'm looking at mining full time. My wrists are too stuffed from bike stacks so I made a trommel from a gas tank and powered it by a windscreen wiper motor. The first test day went well and totalled 2.14 grams. It was hard work as this year was extremely dry so I had to move the washdirt 1klm down the road by car to wash it. But now the shaft is full of water so I'm changing tactics to allow drainage. I hope for an ounce a day and work 4 days then 1 off hopefully I'll get there. I know some people will say i'm talking BS but hey if someone had of told me what I know now 20 years ago it would have made my prospecting a lot easier.

Ian Parker Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:20 pm

I found a way to post a pic just change my avatar. I misquoted before it was 2.24g for the day. Still not bad for a test run.

Ian Parker Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:23 pm

And I don't use a detector

Ian Parker Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:38 pm

someday wrote:Any chance of the foot stamping method working in this situation to predict depth?

and thanks Yoda

OOPS almost forgot

Crying out "GIVE ME BACK MY SWAMP" While stamping your feet only get's you a wet feet... when you live in a swamp.

Asking me politely like " Hey Ian can you PLEASE explain how to find depth by divining?" might bring the conversation back to being intellectually stimulating.

Kon61gold Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:35 am

Its interesting how some people find it difficult to accept there are other ways to finding gold apart from using a detectors. How many times to you have a feeling that some one is watching you and you turn around and sure enough the person is there. I have experienced miracles and have known situations that have occurred and there is no logical reason why it happened.
Yet skeptics will say there has to be a logical reason. Why? Does it matter.
Ian I reckon you have raised a very interesting topic and some of our contributors have shown that it works for them as well. I have seen it work as well. It is just unfortunate there are others who say no first and say it can't happen , rather than saying yes it can happen although I may not understand it.
Thanks for telling us how it works and although it may not be specific in finding that nugget at least it puts you in the vicinity of it. I does sound however that divining seems to be more appropriate to mining rather than alluvial detecting.
Jeff

Guest Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:27 am

I have never came into contact with divining for anything but will keep an open mind. I'm a man of science and don't believe in a god or afterlife but science has uncovered some very strange things when it comes to physics and the psychical world. If you look into quantum pyhsics the material world is very strange. There has also been experiments where the properties of matter change only if there is a observer which is extremely strange. From memory it could be the double split experiment I'm thinking about but I could be wrong. There is also something called quantum entanglement. The world is very strange indeed. cheers

Guest Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:33 am

Jefgold wrote:Its interesting how some people find it difficult to accept there are other ways to finding gold apart from using a detectors. How many times to you have a feeling that some one is watching you and you turn around and sure enough the person is there. I have experienced miracles and have known situations that have occurred and there is no logical reason why it happened.
Yet skeptics will say there has to be a logical reason. Why? Does it matter.
Ian I reckon you have raised a very interesting topic and some of our contributors have shown that it works for them as well. I have seen it work as well. It is just unfortunate there are others who say no first and say it can't happen , rather than saying yes it can happen although I may not understand it.
Thanks for telling us how it works and although it may not be specific in finding that nugget at least it puts you in the vicinity of it. I does sound however that divining seems to be more appropriate to mining rather than alluvial detecting.
Jeff

I couldn't agree more Jeff! Whatever floats yer boat eh! I had an interiesting introduction to the art of divining
Many yrs yrs ago but I just don't feel like putting up with the vitriol it would bring .
As a mod said recently if you have nothing respectful to say ,say nothing ! Wise words cheers

slimpickens Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:22 am

No, lets hear it Ark, don't worry about the naysayers. (unless you don't think we're capable of handling the truth)

slimpickens Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:27 am

And since we have to keep an open mind on all this, then maybe we shouldn't laugh or warn forum members about stuff like these Rangertells. Lets all keep an open mind.
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Guest Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:19 am

Nah I won't bother ! lol!

onthehunt Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:03 pm

Jefgold wrote:I have experienced miracles and have known situations that have occurred and there is no logical reason why it happened.
Yet skeptics will say there has to be a logical reason. Why? Does it matter.

It matters to me. If you don't try and understand why something happens, you will never be able to replicate it. There are three kinds of people, those who watch it happen, those who make it happen, and those who wonder what the f$@k just happened. I am generally the latter.

someday Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:39 pm

Ian Parker wrote:
someday wrote:Any chance of the foot stamping method working in this situation to predict depth?

and thanks Yoda

OOPS almost forgot
Crying out "GIVE ME BACK MY SWAMP" While stamping your feet only get's you a wet feet... when you live in a swamp.

Asking me politely like " Hey Ian can you PLEASE explain how to find depth by divining?" might bring the conversation back to being intellectually stimulating.

Get ya knickers out of a twist Ian Rolling Eyes

The first line in this/my post was in line with total respect, even put a question mark at the end to ensure a reply to this amazing topic Razz

The second line in this/my post was directed at Jefgold Laughing

The third line in this/my post is indicative of how I saw the topic going before you even put up your first post cheers

Ounce a day ay Q36

slimpickens Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:11 pm

[quote="someday Ounce a day ay Q36

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Saddest thing about all this, is out of the 4000 to 5000 members on this site only half a dozen if that, have questioned the outrageous statements this guy is making. I asked him too show a photo of some of the gold he alleges he has found divining but he couldn't do it. He says his ex wife has run off with it. Q24

matelot Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:25 pm

Is Barry Johnson from "Nuggetfinder" still offering Big money for anyone who can prove Divining works?

I think it was $5000 or $10000 Reward.

Maybe Mr.Parker is up to it???????

Regards Roger pirat

P.S. I think Barry Johnson's money is safe.

Guest Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:40 pm

http://undeceivingourselves.org/I-divi.htm

http://undeceivingourselves.org/S-divi.htm

I used to think there was maybe something to it but the more I read the more I think its all just a mathematical fluke that some claim to have a high percentage find rate. I now think that if you got a group of "ordinary" people together & told them to go stand in a field where they thought there was water, gold or whatever that they would have just as much chance as standing in the correct spot as the same number of diviners in the same field. Luck & mathematical chance.

slimpickens Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:52 pm

Infinite monkey theorem

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A chimpanzee, an ape, using a typewriter. Given enough time, a hypothetical monkey typing at random would, as part of its output, almost surely produce all of Shakespeare's plays.
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey, but a metaphor for an abstract device that produces an endless random sequence of letters and symbols. The relevance of the theory is questionable—the probability of a monkey exactly typing a complete work such as Shakespeare's Hamlet is so tiny that the chance of it occurring during a period of time even a hundred thousand orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe is extremely low (but not zero).

Barney Rubble Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:48 pm

shiraz wrote:Infinite monkey theorem

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A chimpanzee, an ape, using a typewriter. Given enough time, a hypothetical monkey typing at random would, as part of its output, almost surely produce all of Shakespeare's plays.
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey, but a metaphor for an abstract device that produces an endless random sequence of letters and symbols. The relevance of the theory is questionable—the probability of a monkey exactly typing a complete work such as Shakespeare's Hamlet is so tiny that the chance of it occurring during a period of time even a hundred thousand orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe is extremely low (but not zero).

https://youtu.be/pezaxRM7uAA

slimpickens Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:55 pm

Barney Rubble wrote:
shiraz wrote:Infinite monkey theorem

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A chimpanzee, an ape, using a typewriter. Given enough time, a hypothetical monkey typing at random would, as part of its output, almost surely produce all of Shakespeare's plays.
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey, but a metaphor for an abstract device that produces an endless random sequence of letters and symbols. The relevance of the theory is questionable—the probability of a monkey exactly typing a complete work such as Shakespeare's Hamlet is so tiny that the chance of it occurring during a period of time even a hundred thousand orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe is extremely low (but not zero).
https://youtu.be/pezaxRM7uAA

someday Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:04 pm

Now we're getten on track cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw7KmYjnHYs

Ian Parker Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:20 pm

shiraz wrote:[quote="someday Ounce a day ay

Saddest thing about all this, is out of the 4000 to 5000 members on this site only half a dozen if that, have questioned the outrageous statements this guy is making. I asked him too show a photo of some of the gold he alleges he has found divining but he couldn't do it. He says his ex wife has run off with it. Q24

[/quote]The gold that was shown in my picture yesterday was divined. But I still have to dig down to it and pan or process the alluvial clay after divining it. My theory on gold in alluvial underground streams is this;
The first thing that you need to understand is gravity. Gravity is caused by Mass, and Mass has a CHARGE. The more the mass, the more the charge. I can divine an underground stream because there is a difference in charge between it and my body. I can tell you how wide it is by when L rods start to come together, where the centre is by when the L rods cross over and where the other side is by when the rods come apart. I can tell how deep it is. Some people stamp their feet, some place the L rods by their side then bring them up and count how long they take to come together. Basically you have to get some type of echo happening. I use a different method by using a spring rod and my heartbeat. My heart sends out a charge every second or so which changes the overall charge of my body. I use this combined with my sense of fear (which can change the beating rate) to find distance. I can tell you which way the water is flowing by sticking one L rod in the ground and the other swings in the direction of flow because the ocean has a greater mass than the stream and therefor more charge. If you live by the sea this may sound silly, and think, well of course it flows to the sea. But in the outback a lot of rivers flow inland and the inland lakes have more mass and more charge. Gold takes on a negative charge if rubbed according to the triboelectric effect. Then! If I divine along the stream I basically switch on a discriminator for the water because the waters charge is roughly the same along the stream. Most of us will know that if there is a bend in a stream then gold will be deposited in concentrations on the inside edge of the bend. But I can’t see the bends. This river was formed 100 million years or so ago and is now covered with twenty feet of dirt. So if I stand on top of the water and divine then I can determine where the bends and gold concentrations are below me. Once I find a concentration I dig straight down and Bob’s your Uncle! It all works and has been around for thousands of years. The picture that is now my Avatar is a 30,000 years old cave painting known as the Bradshaw paintings and is located in the Kimberley's, Australia.
I guess you could say it was Made in OZ Bro!
Do you still think Barry Johnsons $10,000 is safe? Q08

matelot Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:25 pm

"Do you still think etc...."

Yep

Regards Roger pirat

Jigalong Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:42 pm

"The picture that is now my Avatar is a 30,000 years old cave painting known as the Bradshaw paintings and is located in the Kimberley's, Australia. " Ian Parker

I have never seen a Bradshaw of that style before and I have seen plenty. Can you tell me where that photo was taken please.

Guest Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:52 pm

Geeze fellas,

If you could reach in and throttle someone giving you the shits then I wouldn't say please at least be polite. It's not fair on a medium to name call or call BS BS if the person doesn't have the opportunity to sort it out face to face, so to speak. You don't have to agree but man I would want to smack someone in the mouth if they made fun of me like that. Edit. All those animations of BS did actually give me a giggle but....be gentle as this is a person.

Ian Parker Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:57 pm

Jigalong wrote:"The picture that is now my Avatar is a 30,000 years old cave painting known as the Bradshaw paintings and is located in the Kimberley's, Australia. " Ian Parker

I have never seen a Bradshaw of that style before and I have seen plenty. Can you tell me where that photo was taken please.

I am not sure where it actually is as the locations are kept quiet due to vandalism and theft. Somewhere in the Kimberley's? This one in particular grabbed my attention as it shows not only a stream but also the centre of the stream and forked divining sticks with a type of flow towards the stream. These people where hunter gatherers and finding water would have been crucial for survival. You can see them all at the Bradshaw foundation website. This one is known as a Tassel Bradshaw.

slimpickens Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:59 pm

Waveform wrote:Geeze fellas,

If you could reach in and throttle someone giving you the shits then I wouldn't say please at least be polite. It's not fair on a medium to name call or call BS BS if the person doesn't have the opportunity to sort it out face to face, so to speak. You don't have to agree but man I would want to smack someone in the mouth if they made fun of me like that.

I, like you, am entitled to an opinion on the statements made by Ian. If he has been made fun of, it's because he has put himself in the firing line by carrying on with his waffle. If the term BS is offensive to you, don't read it. By the way, it means " Lies"

kon61 Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:00 pm

Come on fellas. Lets keep things in perspective here and not trying to pull each others eyes out.Everyone is entitled to an opinion here and what might work for some,might not work for others.Such is the power of human belief.If one has no belief in what one is doing,they've already failed before they even started.I know nothing about divining,neither have I ever given it a go,but I do know that every time I'm out swinging a coil,If I didn't believe in the capabilities of my equipment,in my self and most importantly the possibility of a signal leading to gold upon the next swing of a coil,all is lost. There'd be no purpose to life if we didn't believe in ourselves or in our capabilities? So lets cut back on the discrediting of one another and get back to the possibilities of keeping an "open mind" hey?

Cheers Kon. What a Face

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where theres a will

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When you live in a swamp

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