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Post  buck06 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:31 pm

when all this bull started i was a bit interested but i think it has gone on to long . if you are still testing the mods well test them when they are proven then post the resalts 3000 v4500 with a proven operator on all soils affraid meanwhile me and jupman have picked over a oz of yellow while youse have been sitting in front of a computer Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy who cares if you have a 3000 or 4500 as long as you are having fun Very Happy Very Happy get digging or we will get it all ha ha ha buck
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Post  Pennyweight on Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:51 pm

Hi Buck,
yeah, fair call... I wont put anything else up on Youtube until the last play on Friday.
There will hopefully be more guys there with a useable external speaker too!

Hi Shinegold, dunno what you mean about ground balancing....if you think it was a bit quick, remember that after hitting the quick-track button, you get 2-3 seconds to 'fast balance' it. A few short pumps or jiggles does it easy....also, the clock speed of the modded processor is twice as fast so you gotta do it quick Razz Cheers, Dwt
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Post  echidnadigger on Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:17 pm

I cant wait till Friday or there after,
Straight up video depicting the results will be great.
I don't care to much for the comparisons with GP to GPX, but rather see the comparisons with the same machine before and after the modifications.
I really think this is more important than trying to leapfrog the new technology.
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Post  buck06 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:27 pm

good call bret . i just watched the last upload to youtube and the bloke saying a 4500 dug right beside the target he got only means the operator mist it not the machine we have all done this done a spot went back and found bits missed .i have found gold in other peoples diggs they missed we are only human Rolling Eyes Embarassed Embarassed
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Post  Dunnart on Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:01 am

So does that mean all you blokes who reckon this video stuff is a bit of alright, will be queueing up for mods to yr detector then?



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Post  buck06 on Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:08 am

not me ive use a 4500 and it works good but still learning every day just like everybody i know. every days a school day cheers What a Face
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Post  echidnadigger on Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:18 am

Dunnart wrote:So does that mean all you blokes who reckon this video stuff is a bit of alright, will be queueing up for mods to yr detector then?



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We just need to be up to date with modifications before an educated decision can be made.
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Post  alchemist on Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:16 am

Pennyweight wrote:Hi JP,
You are right about both motion and gain being critical. Cheers, Dwt

Gi'day dwt,
I've found that Target Volume if set too high, defeats a higher gain. As it not only increases the target response, but all the other garbage as well.

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Post  CJ on Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:10 am

Don`t BS to us old timers jp you crank it to the max. in the field, what you tell the punters and what you do are two different things, but you have to toe the M/L party line. sunny sunny plenty of EMI lol!

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Post  Jonathan Porter on Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:24 am

CJ wrote:Don`t BS to us old timers jp you crank it to the max. in the field, what you tell the punters and what you do are two different things, but you have to toe the M/L party line. sunny sunny plenty of EMI lol!

How could you possibly know what settings I use Kris, you can't even string more than two lines together so I doubt if your psychic ability is any better. lol! Seriously though think about it for a second, I did really well with the GP series and they had fixed in stone Gain settings, we now have a detector that can work a monoloop coil in the worst type of mineralisation but also have intimate control over the Gain settings, so don't give me a hard time because your PALS can't keep their snouts from the trough long enough to realise they are their own worst enemies!! I used a Whites V-sat for years and only on one occasion was I able to run the Gain over 6 or 7, and when I did did I go off whining to Whites because the thing was ratty. scratch

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Post  Leatherpot on Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:18 am

G'Day Gents,
I have followed this thread and I am dissappointed that I have learnt nothing except that everyone has an opinion, and while ever it is posted on a forum it will remain an OPINION,please treat it as such and stop this bloddy bullshit, WAKE UP,GROW UP or PISS OFF. then some of us may learn something valuable. and NO there are no frigging Smilies with this message
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Post  Jonathan Porter on Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:46 am

The problem with mods is for every one that does work there are an equivalent amount that don't. From what I am seeing the mod that might provide the most benefit is the frequency mod to the 3500 which could generate a window for some smallish targets that the original 3500 might have been weak on, but I doubt if it will maintain the maximum depth on large targets.

Ismael has said his mods can be turned off so perhaps this might be an option, problem is we all have significant money invested in these things and once the mods are done it is a little hard to revert back to original if you want to sell or am unhappy with what the mods did. From first blush the biggest benefit is an increase in sensitivity on small gold at moderate depths, not sure how the claims go for smoother threshold and less ground noise, to increase sensitivity you will also increase susceptibility to ground noise, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

For more info go to Ismaels site (click on link)

Hope this helps,

JP

PS I personally am a bit leery of mods especially for the GP series due to the EPROM, however the old frequency mod of the SD2000 (Barrie Johnsons mod) really did increase the detectors sensitivity, I have personally seen a lot of gold being found with one here in Clermont, so some mods do have merit.
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Post  alchemist on Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:50 am

Leatherpot wrote:G'Day Gents,
I have followed this thread and I am dissappointed that I have learnt nothing except that everyone has an opinion, and while ever it is posted on a forum it will remain an OPINION,please treat it as such and stop this bloddy bullshit, WAKE UP,GROW UP or PISS OFF. then some of us may learn something valuable. and NO there are no frigging Smilies with this message
Regards Leatherpot.

An opinion = an expressed belief or theory, many theories are proved true and become fact. If nobody had an opinion, we'd all still be sharpening stones to attach to sticks to hurl at prey, we'd probably be a lot happier but that's beside the point. The good thing is you have a right to your opinion, and we all have a right to ours. Is yours above proved true? Well if you didn't learn one single thing from the preceding posts then maybe you've outgrown this forum, and are better off looking elsewhere, or you could tell us what you believe is missing from this thread and add to our knowledge.

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Post  Leatherpot on Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:58 am

Morning Grey,
Please read my post again, I was not refering to the opinions of other contributors but more towards the bickering and debunking of others opinions, and was suggesting that perhaps they should be a little tolerant towards others.
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Post  alchemist on Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:37 am

Gi'day Leatherpot,
I see what you mean....yep, one personal attack spoils a good thread...sorry I lumped you in with him.
Have a great day.
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Post  Dunnart on Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:24 pm

Hey Dwt,

How do I go about getting my Gp modded?

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Post  Inhere on Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:35 pm

G'day Dunnart, Don't let anyone except Ismael do the work. He adds the mod's and always allows you to turn them off and go back to standard, if things don't work the way you want.

Have a look at one of his post's and you will see the url for his site.
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Post  Pennyweight on Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:32 pm

Hi Guys,
'Alluvium' will have his hands on the modded 3500 for a couple of days to try it out.
He will make an interim report mid week he says. Ismael did the mods on this particular detector but both Woody & Mick can do exactly the same if you ask. Both Woody & Mick
do internal mods also which CANNOT be switched off. Woody has a super-duper Extreme
which has ALL of his GP mods incorporated...Woody reckons its a killer. We will see it soon. The websites are minelabmods.com and detectormods.com. Mick advertises in the classifieds section in the AGG&T magazine. Cheers, Dwt
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Post  Inhere on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:16 am

Woody has a super-duper Extreme!
which has ALL of his GP mods incorporated...Woody reckons its a killer.



DWT, That Is why you tend to cop a lot of flak!
You tend to lead with the lip.

What we have here IS hearsay, nothing more.
There has been plenty of these super duper killer's, that have just faded away.


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Post  nero_design on Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:52 am

I spoke with Woody in passing recently and he comes across as quite a sincere person and he certainly seems very busy. There appears to be a few people modding these days and it reminds me a little of a Gunsmith who can add a few adjustments to the mechanism of a firearm to make it perform smoother. I've not used a modded detector so I can't speak for their benefit. Some say they work (hence there's a thriving little business modding GPs) and others claim there's no obvious difference after modding. I wouldn't know but that's what I've heard from users. The fact remains that a good number of people like to squeeze every bit out of their detector that they can. And every inch of depth helps in some instances.

But remember that a modded detector is not attractive to the dealers if you sell one (or trade one in) and most turn them down outright because they can't offer any additional guarrentees to the new owner that the detector works as it should. Also, if you need to send it in to the manufacturer for a service or repair, they simply strip the detector back to original format before repairs can be attempted.
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Post  Guest on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:37 am

G'day - I saw on a ham radio forum that Woody was having a 'garage sale' at his address yesterday, selling off his surplus (?) electronic test / radio gear, including electronic bits etc.

I take it he'll still be doing mods though?

cheers - trashdigger

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Post  CJ on Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:01 am

Inny do you personally know someone who has had mods done by woody ??? and had problems??? before you bad mouth someone might be a good idea to think first before you open your big gobb.

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Post  Guest on Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:23 am

CJ wrote:Inny do you personally know someone who has had mods done by woody ??? and had problems??? before you bad mouth someone might be a good idea to think first before you open your big gobb.

cj [this is not finders]


CJ wrote:
Don`t BS to us old timers jp you crank it to the max. in the field, what you tell the punters and what you do are two different things, but you have to toe the M/L party line. sunny

Cj do you personaly know Jp cranks it to the max? have you detected beside him and witnessed that? before you chastise someone for thier posted opinion it might be a good idea to think first about how you've responded in the past before you flap that hole in your neck.

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Post  Qld Sandy on Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:23 pm

madtuna wrote:
CJ wrote:Inny do you personally know someone who has had mods done by woody ??? and had problems??? before you bad mouth someone might be a good idea to think first before you open your big gobb.

cj [this is not finders]


CJ wrote:
Don`t BS to us old timers jp you crank it to the max. in the field, what you tell the punters and what you do are two different things, but you have to toe the M/L party line. sunny

Cj do you personaly know Jp cranks it to the max? have you detected beside him and witnessed that? before you chastise someone for thier posted opinion it might be a good idea to think first about how you've responded in the past before you flap that hole in your neck.

[this is not douggies]
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Kris, Ronald, Sniper, CJ, Lee, or whatever you prefer to make yourself incognito on the forums. Let me offer some advice that you can take or leave. I believe that you have good info to offer to educate learners about the machines you use and I am told that by others, BUT the way you post leaves us to consider that you are more than the "devils advocate". Why don't you offer some decent advice about the machines you use instead of denegrating them all them all the time??

Knowledge is a learning curve for the new operators regardless of their experience, and they will benefit from those that are experienced with a detectors operation. ALL Minelab machines have subtleties that some benefit from. Your input is valued if it contains some decent information, but the one liners are just crap. If you wish to post information about the detector you use that is helpful to new operators, it would be welcomed, but your current path is rubbish. It is ultimately your choice. Cheers.
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Post  Inhere on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:28 pm

No Kris, no one I know, but there are a number of post's by some of woodies customer's about the forum's.
One that comes to mind, was a guy who could not use Small mono's or even DD coil's on his modded detector.
Woodie responded that the detector was modded for only large mono's.

Are you supposed to carry a golf bag full of woodies modded detector's around when you go detecting???
One sensitive to small stuff.
One for the deep stuff.
One for patch finding.
etc etc etc.


Now, on the other hand, with Ismael. You get to use the mod, when conditions are right, and get back to normal, If things get a bit noisy, and you only need one detector.


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Post  CJ on Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:09 pm

Hey sandy not a word against inny for bad mouthing woody, you call that evenhanded ? but you will stick the boot into me.

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Post  CJ on Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:24 pm

With woody`s mods you do have a choice of what mods. you have done, I don`t know about the person you are talking about ,if its true or not but I`m sure woody would rectify the problem,but as you know when dealing with the public you will always get someone offside.
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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:34 pm

Pennyweight wrote:Hi Buck,
yeah, fair call... I wont put anything else up on Youtube until the last play on Friday.
There will hopefully be more guys there with a useable external speaker too!

Hi Shinegold, dunno what you mean about ground balancing....if you think it was a bit quick, remember that after hitting the quick-track button, you get 2-3 seconds to 'fast balance' it. A few short pumps or jiggles does it easy....also, the clock speed of the modded processor is twice as fast so you gotta do it quick Razz Cheers, Dwt

Hi Dwt,
just wondering how the last test went have not seen anything on utube yet.
cheers fencejumper

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Post  Pennyweight on Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:07 pm

Hi FJ,
the other 2 guys I invited couldn't make it plus my external speaker is dead. Was just gonna be me and JT but then he got crook so I went by myself. Got 7 bits at Tarnagulla, again all small. Nothing worth videoing so I will wait until Thurs-Sun to do more serious testing. Will have a useful speaker then too....hate the buggers but need one for the video!

Its now in Alluvium's hands and we will hear how he went with it tomorrow I reckon. If anyone will give it a fair flogging, he will! Will post again soon. Cheers, Dwt
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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:17 pm

Cheers for that dwt, will keep an eye out for next installment.
cheers fencejumper


p.s if tots still not well next time i could supply 4500 with speaker.
just p.m me

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