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Post  adrian ss on Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:55 am

So a new strain of the coronavirus from China has arrived on our doorsteps and it is killing people around the world.
Seems this new strain was known about over a month ago before we were informed about it.
China is closing down travel between some of their cities to try and stop the spread of the virus.
I think that China is not all that fussed about whether the virus spreads to international countries, they just want to stop it spreading throughout China because the potential to decimate the tight packed population is high. If they were really concerned about the rest of the world they would stop all travel in and out of China.
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Post  Travelergold on Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:30 am

The only way to deal with this is to ban all flights out of china. Full stop.

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Post  adrian ss on Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:53 pm

Travelergold wrote:The only way to deal with this is to ban all flights out of china. Full stop.

Very true but it will not happen.
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Post  boobook on Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:05 pm

No problem here....
Went to the pub this morning, instead of my 8-10 middies of Tooheys Old ale, had 6 stubbies of Corona with that silly wedge of lime stuck in the neck.

Pretty well satisfied no Coronialvitus stuff goin to attack me.....alchicolism might be a different matter though.....might have even caught that too whilst I wosent lookin......hic Very Happy

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Post  moredeep on Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:20 pm

nothing wrong with a bit of internal antiseptic boobook Laughing
AS I've stated in the past Adrian,rabbits in a paddock [over population],and have said that the biggest threat to humanity is the microbe.
On that note time for some more internal antiseptic [nice cold IPA]

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Post  gold bug sniper on Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:59 am

This Coronavirus originated in the meat markets of china, filthy conditions, with live animals as well. Why this is allowed is beyond me. That last bad virus, SARS? originated from the same meat markets yrs ago.
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Post  Travelergold on Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:37 am

We have heard from what i consider a good source that china had bought in the swine flu to develop antivirus for and the stuff they were developing escaped and they are calling it corona virus as that was the spot where swine flu was first discovered.

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Post  granite2 on Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:58 pm

I just heard today that the coronavirus is thought to have begun in the fish market there.
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Post  byronbinalong on Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:25 pm

Hey boobook
i have had the same vaccination as you for the corona virus... been told it may not work ... but it could help heheheheh
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Post  mbasko on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:11 pm

Travelergold wrote:We have heard from what i consider a good source that china had bought in the swine flu to develop antivirus for and the stuff they were developing escaped and they are calling it corona virus as that was the spot where  swine flu was first discovered.
I don't think your source has it right? Coronaviruses in various strains have been around for a long time i.e. the Common Cold.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) wrote:Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that can cause respiratory illnesses such as the common cold. Most people get infected with coronaviruses at one point in their lives, but symptoms are typically mild to moderate. In some cases, the viruses can cause lower-respiratory tract illnesses such as pneumonia and bronchitis. 
The current strain (named 2019-nCoV) is a strain that has caused symptoms worse than the normal coronaviruses. There have been other past strains of it i.e. SARS-CoV & MERS-CoV that caused worse than normal symptoms too.
CDC wrote:Early on, many of the patients in the outbreak of respiratory illness caused by 2019-nCov in Wuhan, China had some link to a large seafood and live animal market, suggesting animal-to-person spread. Later, a growing number of patients reportedly did not have exposure to animal markets, indicating person-to-person spread. 
The ease of spread - animal to animal, animal to human & human to human seems to be the biggest concern.
Hopefully the Australian Scientists working on a vaccine have a positive breakthrough soon.

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Post  Kon61gold on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:20 pm

Which ever way you look at it fellas, lets just hope the world finds a way to eradicate this new strain of virus ASAP.
Adrian trust me when I say China does care for there own people, as well as the rest of the worlds, for they have so much more to lose than just population wise. Shocked

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Post  Redfin on Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:47 pm

I wonder why this joint hasn't rated a mention in the news, given its location.

Wuhan Institute of Virology
http://english.whiov.cas.cn/Home2016/

Wuhan Institute of Virology mission targeting for population health, agriculture and sustainable development strategies and public safety needs of the country, relying on high-level biosafety laboratory cluster platform, focusing on virology, Agricultural and Environmental Microbiology and emerging biotechnology basic and applied basic research and other aspects.

A search for "corona" on the site reveals they have been experimenting with the corona virus for a few years.
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Post  pablop on Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:19 pm

It has been raised several times in online posts, but I guess that people are a bit afraid to come out and openly say, that this bug may have escaped from their fiddling with the bug.
Having said that a couple of days ago a Melbourne lab announced that they had successfully cloned/duplicated the virus in the lab (which I thought wouldn't have been too difficult), but again, if suitable procedures aren't in place it could potentially mutate and get out of controlled area.
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Post  adrian ss on Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:20 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Which ever way you look at it fellas, lets just hope the world finds a way to eradicate this new strain of virus ASAP.
Adrian trust me when I say China does care for there own people, as well as the rest of the worlds, for they have so much more to lose than just population wise. Shocked

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Chinese value on human and other animal life is close enough to be the lowest on the planet.
They have a lot to loose I agree and they are prepared to loose it if it gains them what they want.
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Post  adrian ss on Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:59 am

Seems to me that these viruses are much more clever than we are.
They continue to evolve, we have stopped evolving. Viruses use some truly remarkable means of reproduction that are far superior to the human repro process.
A virus requires living animal tissue to survive. What came first, the animal or the virus? If the animal came first then what caused a virus to evolve into an existence that required animal tissue to survive? Viruses have been around a long time as we have but we have not evolved a natural  defence against them.
  At what point in the evolution of a virus did it require living animal tissue to reproduce and survive.
A virus evolves and survives by killing the very thing that it needs to survive...Sort of a bit like us aye?

Do humans cause a virus to evolve when we have no natural defence against them. Our immune systems cannot handle a virus infection therefore if we are not a threat to the virus then it has no need to evolve.
Do other animals become immune to virus infection and if so, why not humans?
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Post  moredeep on Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:29 pm

Gosh that's deep Adrian,nearly as deep as what came first the chicken or the egg.
My answer is I don't know.
With several billions host to infest IT'S PARTY TIME for our little viral friends.
Dirty dancing might be their theme song Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post  Alan WA on Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:24 pm

So a virus is a parasite.
It must of come second.
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Post  adrian ss on Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:24 am

What about a cancer cell?
Cancer cells need to be connected into a blood supply to survive and reproduce. Are they part of our natural body system gone rogue or is a cancer cell a separate entity.
What keeps a cancer cell alive while it is wandering around in our blood stream looking for a place to attach itself.
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Post  adrian ss on Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:10 am

gold bug sniper wrote:This Coronavirus originated in the meat markets of china, filthy conditions, with live animals as well. Why this is allowed is beyond me. That last bad virus, SARS?  originated from the same meat markets yrs ago.

This virus sounds more like a manufacture virus from a virology complex.
The sudden and huge response from china to build a completly new hospital for the containment and treatment of people effected by the virus sounds a lot like they new in advance how dangerous it was going to be if it ever got loose in the environment.
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Post  Reg Wilson on Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:06 pm

Viruses are all part of God's plan. He made them, so they must be good.
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Post  Kon61gold on Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:55 pm

Good for the virus,yes. Good for the ones susceptible to it, no. As the saying goes "every dog has its day" so do virus's which lay dormant awaiting for the right moment to kick in & spread.
One thing I can only wonder though, is that if these constant new strain of virus's, are deliberately engineered/introduced by man, onto the populations of the world, infecting many, so that a cure is then made available to man for a profit. Big bucks are to be made in the pharmaceutical game these days, for anything sold over the counter without prescription, is not a cure, but designed for one to come back & buy more Shocked
The threat of biological warfare out there today, is far greater than than the threat of nuclear war.

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Post  adrian ss on Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:32 pm

Reg Wilson wrote:Viruses are all part of God's plan. He made them, so they must be good.

Well I am not so sure of that.
There are numerous times in the bible when God has intended to do something and mere mortals have convinced him he is making a mistake.
That does not sound like an all powerful all knowing God.
Are these people who are correcting God smarter and better informed than he?....
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Post  Reg Wilson on Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:09 pm

Adrian, me tinket maybe we maky God huh? God, he lub eberyting he make. He maky syphilis germ. Him got funny sense of humour.
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Post  Kon61gold on Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:46 pm

He maky gonorrhoea germ too & says to man, "do you feel lucky punk?" Well do ya? Shocked affraid Q35 Funny sense of humour alright.

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Post  adrian ss on Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:41 pm

Reg Wilson wrote:Adrian, me tinket maybe we maky God huh? God, he lub eberyting he make. He maky syphilis germ. Him got funny sense of humour.

I tinket you be correct Reg
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Post  hugh62 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:58 pm

.. affraid .. all these questions Adrian ,you musta driven ya parents mad when ya were a kid .. Razz .. most people ive been talking too about it are rather bla - zay about it really , I think the media blow these things outa proportion too ,as for how it started ive read about 4 different accounts as to how it got started . (  Except for the God thing ,which I just read on here .. scratch..ya  learn a lotta new things on here .. Laughing   )  As for the University and a prestige school up here with a fair proportion of Chinese ,its business as usual .Another comment I heard today ,was that if it was Chinese made ,it wasn't going to last long .. Suspect ..
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Post  Reg Wilson on Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:07 pm

I was told it affects you 'sideways'.
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Post  adrian ss on Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:13 am

That's not true...I've checked. Very Happy
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Post  rowdy on Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:43 pm

I wonder if the Corona virus was introduced as a diversion from from whats happening in Hong Kong and lo and behold the chinese government has an explanation of all the bodies that may be piling up there from the "undesirables" that were causing all the unrest there. We haven't heard much about Hong Kong since the virus broke out. Just thinking out load.
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Post  adrian ss on Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:17 pm

30,000 cases world wide and it is doubling every 6 days.
30,000 to day 60,000 next week, 120,000 the following week, 240,000 the next. 480,000 after that.
The flu killed 400,000 + people last year. The Coronavirus has the potential to far exceed that figure.

How many packages, foodstuffs etc  arriving in Australia from China will be covered in or will contain the coronavirus
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