Aftermarket for GPZ

Stan O wrote:
As far as the chip and software go:
The chip is there and the coil is not a straight plug-and-play. Some modifications are needed - at least for now. Once I test the coil I'll have a better understanding to what extent the software plays a part in coil's performance.

The coils are handmade - they are not made by a company so they don't have a commercial registered name as yet.

Thanks,
Stan

Thanks Stan. Cheers and good luck with it.

Hi, I’ve been expecting this coil configuration for about 9 months now, I believe it is nugget finder and that this is the process that was going to be used to to launch it by someone who is perceived to not be connected to nugget finder, although I did expect the SDC 2300 to be first machine to be released with this type of coil, I believe it involves cutting the plug off either your ZED’s 14 inch or 19 inch and leaving it connected to the ZED when changing to the after market coil you would connect to the ZED useing a joiner, and so a joiner would need to be fitted to the coil you cut the plug off, I’m not opposed to the idea and I’m not knocking Stan, Stan if I have got my facts wrong re any connection to nugget finder I do apologies, this is just my opinion of how I believe it works around Minelab’s chip, as I believe the chip is in the plug, would I cut the plug off either of my coils, probably not
Kind Regards
Spook

I dare say .. you could probably trick the machine into having modded coils ...

Hello! Worked with these coils in 2017g. All have only good reviews. A small coil just works just fine. The big one also showed herself well. With a small coil it was possible to work in the vicinity of the electrical wires. The result is excellent! About your heavy soils, I can not say. But we also have places with heavy soils. There were no complaints about the coils.
If I'm not lazy then I'll make a video of the work.
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Привет! Работали этими катушками в 2017г. У всех только хорошие отзывы. Маленькая катушка просто на отлично работает. Большая тоже себя хорошо показала. С маленькой катушкой была возможность работать рядом с электрическими проводами. Результат на отлично! Про ваши тяжелые грунты не чего не скажу. Но и у нас бывают места с тяжелыми грунтами. Нареканий к катушкам не было.
Если не поленюсь то сделаю видео работы.
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good to here mate, I'm liking the sound of being able to work near powerlines!!!!!

Thank you Stan for alerting us of these!

I've been hoping Minelab would produce a smaller coil.
Do you know if the 11" is neutrally buoyant?

We had an especially dry spring last year that meant a lot of creeks went way down, and I was able to ping a few ounces from the bottom of holes that were normally out of reach, but I couldn't get the GPZ14 deeper than about 60cms or it would false on the bottom. The falsing was just like a real target, it was a right pain in the but. I found what the problem was, as you push the coil down deeper the buoyancy of the coil bends the stem and causes it to false on the bottom. I found that by grabbing the shaft midway down and pushing it down from there stopped the falsing and allowed me to find some nice chunky bits, but it was a pain and darn cold, having to keep my arm under the cold water.

I hope for good news in this respect.
Cheers
Kev.

slimpickens wrote:Ex member and Boss No. 1 from the Sudan, Shiraz, has asked me to offer his opinion :
Quote Shiraz, "What a load of #%&*@#$ bull@#$%. Are we all so desperate for a  magical coil that will lead us out of the wilderness that we put reality and logic to the rear of our brains and start believing in the fairies at the bottom of Granite 2's garden?" Minelab couldn't get the 19" afterthought aftermarket coil right (and it's still has not found the largest, deepest nugget with such a large coil) well we'll ignore all that and just believe in not one but 3 or 4 new coils made for the Gpz  by some egghead in Turkey (who still can't make up his mind if he's drinking Greek style coffee or Turkish style coffee) a difficult question that preoccupies a large proportion of his day and leaves him little time to develop more interesting coils in his back shed. (How could Minelab possibly compete?) Jeez wake up please.





(All views expressed by ex member Shiraz are his and his alone, so please don't shoot the messenger)

Mate tell Shiraz that minelab can't even get the audio right. Sure they make a good detector but they aren't perfect by far. I recall Shiraz carrying on about how bad the Z was but he has one now does he not?

HibStan O, I hope you keep us posted and don't get discouraged. 12-15 hrs detecting- your a machine mate. I will try and put in more time...
Cheers

WF2.0 wrote:

slimpickens wrote:Ex member and Boss No. 1 from the Sudan, Shiraz, has asked me to offer his opinion :
Quote Shiraz, "What a load of #%&*@#$ bull@#$%. Are we all so desperate for a  magical coil that will lead us out of the wilderness that we put reality and logic to the rear of our brains and start believing in the fairies at the bottom of Granite 2's garden?" Minelab couldn't get the 19" afterthought aftermarket coil right (and it's still has not found the largest, deepest nugget with such a large coil) well we'll ignore all that and just believe in not one but 3 or 4 new coils made for the Gpz  by some egghead in Turkey (who still can't make up his mind if he's drinking Greek style coffee or Turkish style coffee) a difficult question that preoccupies a large proportion of his day and leaves him little time to develop more interesting coils in his back shed. (How could Minelab possibly compete?) Jeez wake up please.





(All views expressed by ex member Shiraz are his and his alone, so please don't shoot the messenger)

Mate tell Shiraz that minelab can't even get the audio right. Sure they make a good detector but they aren't perfect by far. I recall Shiraz

carrying on about how bad the Z was but he has one now does he not?

I recall Shiraz having a go at the SDC for it's lack of depth and he was right. All gold found with it was no more than 2-3 inches down. As for the GPZ, I doubt he ever criticised anything major about it. This is still a free country, it isn't Russia is it, we are allowed our own opinion aren't we, grow up and get over it.

Quote WF "Sure they make a good detector but they aren't perfect by far." Is that criticism? Feel free to move on to a better detector company. (Betcha you don't)

Hi all,

Well, I'm less than 2 weeks away from having a proper go with the new coil here in WA. Even better, in less than a week I'll test it out for a day during my shift-change - so by mid next week I should have a good idea of how it copes with our highly-mineralised soil.
Goldtalkleonora, if you're reading this and if you're interested you're more than welcome to join me for the day's testing of the coil. I work on a mine not far away from ya.

Stan O, thanks for keeping us updated. I am glad you have asked somebody else , goldtalkleonora to join you in the testing. This gives you so much more credibility. And an unbiased second opinion. I for one hope the coil works and works well, if not then still hold your head up high as you have stood by the maker in hope like others like me. There will always be knockers with any product, don't let them worry you. Looking forward to your results whatever they show. Cheers TG

slimpickens wrote:

WF2.0 wrote:

slimpickens wrote:Ex member and Boss No. 1 from the Sudan, Shiraz, has asked me to offer his opinion :
Quote Shiraz, "What a load of #%&*@#$ bull@#$%. Are we all so desperate for a  magical coil that will lead us out of the wilderness that we put reality and logic to the rear of our brains and start believing in the fairies at the bottom of Granite 2's garden?" Minelab couldn't get the 19" afterthought aftermarket coil right (and it's still has not found the largest, deepest nugget with such a large coil) well we'll ignore all that and just believe in not one but 3 or 4 new coils made for the Gpz  by some egghead in Turkey (who still can't make up his mind if he's drinking Greek style coffee or Turkish style coffee) a difficult question that preoccupies a large proportion of his day and leaves him little time to develop more interesting coils in his back shed. (How could Minelab possibly compete?) Jeez wake up please.





(All views expressed by ex member Shiraz are his and his alone, so please don't shoot the messenger)

Mate tell Shiraz that minelab can't even get the audio right. Sure they make a good detector but they aren't perfect by far. I recall Shiraz

carrying on about how bad the Z was but he has one now does he not?

I recall Shiraz having a go at the SDC for it's lack of depth and he was right. All gold found with it was no more than 2-3 inches down.  As for the GPZ, I doubt he ever criticised anything major about it. This is still a free country, it isn't Russia is it, we are allowed our own opinion aren't we, grow up and get over it.

Quote WF  "Sure they make a good detector but they aren't perfect by far." Is that criticism?  Feel free to move on to a better detector company. (Betcha you don't)

I'm not sure, I may have read it wrong but you seemed a but harsh is all. Some people can get overly discouraged and simply don't post. Anyways all good, you seemed to imply some anti commie sentiments so I'm happy.

Fellas, like most GPZ 7000 users here, I would love to see a new make of aftermarket coil for the GPZ, (small or large), from any coil manufacturer, far surpass the capabilities of the standard 14x13 but, does anyone here believe, that Minelab themselves don't want to make & sell aftermarket coil accessories? Don't people here think that if Minelab could have, they would have made them already?  This is why I find it difficult to believe, that other coil manufacturers can do any better. More ergonomically or lighter in weight maybe, but greater in depth on a range/size/type nuggets over/mineralized soils, would be a great feat indeed.

Cheers Kon.  

Kon61gold wrote:  This is why I find it difficult to believe, that other coil manufacturers can do any better. More ergonomically or lighter in weight maybe, but greater in depth on a range/size/type nuggets over/mineralized soils, would be a great feat indeed.

Cheers Kon.  

Did they not manage to do just that for the Minelab PI detectors?
Some were better than others, but if they know the black art of coil making and do it properly, it is very possible.
As always, I would like to compare the aftermarket coils to the originals. The scope doesn't tell lies and fall for marketing hype

Cheers Mick

They certainly did Mick, buy they didn't need Minelabs approval to do so at the time, or it would have been Minelab selling 80% of the coil sales & not the others.
So what exactly is the problem or hold up for other coil manufacturers to have not done so by now, or is it just the fact that Minelab have tightly secured all possible patent rights that's stopping them? I understand one don't have to be a rocket scientist to make a particular size/type coil winding, but in the case of the GPZ 7000, sounds like more complicated & costly to do so, than meets the eye.
Either way & like yourself, I too would like to see the making of an aftermarket coil or two, compatible for use on the GPZ 7000, by any big or small time coil manufacturer/company & even though the scope of past aftermarket coil releases haven't lied, nor were prone to the falling of marketing hype, its been 3 years now down the track & still no sign or conclusive proof of anything?  Fingers crossed we happen to see something come out more sooner than later.

Cheers Kon.  

What can I guess on the coffee grounds? Soon Stan O will clarify everything. Although others are already the second season of rejoicing the new coils.

Kon61gold wrote:They certainly did Mick, buy they didn't need Minelabs approval to do so at the time, or it would have been Minelab selling 80% of the coil sales & not the others.
So what exactly is the problem or hold up for other coil manufacturers to have not done so by now, or is it just the fact that Minelab have tightly secured all possible patent rights that's stopping them? I understand one don't have to be a rocket scientist to make a particular size/type coil winding, but in the case of the GPZ 7000, sounds like more complicated & costly to do so, than meets the eye.
Either way & like yourself, I too would like to see the making of an aftermarket coil or two, compatible for use on the GPZ 7000, by any big or small time coil manufacturer/company & even though the scope of past aftermarket coil releases haven't lied, nor were prone to the falling of marketing hype, its been 3 years now down the track & still no sign or conclusive proof of anything?  Fingers crossed we happen to see something come out more sooner than later.

Cheers Kon.  

All I know is, if a great coil is made, yet it is one that infringes IP rights, I simply will not use it. Hopefully if this does come to pass others will do the right thing.

WF2.0, that be would be the same as turning a blind eye on counterfeiting, or taking a bribe, in order to pervert the course of justice, is something that doesn't sit well with me either.

cheers Kon.

WF2.0 wrote:
All I know is, if a great coil is made, yet it is one that infringes IP rights, I simply will not use it. Hopefully if this does come to pass others will do the right thing.  

For example, I bought a Toyota car. But I do not want to ride the wheels that were with the car. I want wide. And I will buy them and put them. Without breaking the law.

I bought myself coils in Australia, America, Russia. My device and I decide what I'm going to bet on.

Post edited by mods and then completely out of context!

All I know is, if a great coil is made, yet it is one that infringes IP rights, I simply will not use it. Hopefully if this does come to pass others will do the right thing.  [/quote]

People have lost the battle if they don't continue to move towards best practice. Sure I have done some  minor transgressions in the past but there is honour in always moving towards doing the right thing. Best practice is a great goal as it will ensure that the lifestyle afforded by prospecting is there for our children and so on.

Every decision we make is as important as any others make. The rule of law is a beautiful thing as it helps elevate humanity. Others unfortunately don't have a similar view so I and many others have to spend up big on security measures.

Due to the hacking of Minelab, the potential was there for a Chinese company to make and sell an exact copy. I know I wouldn't buy one or even detect with someone who had. Those people who would buy one knowingly,  have the Gold bug in a bad way. Seems they chase the financial outcome rather than the connection with nature and history. Perhaps they have some of the traits of those bandits who robbed the hard working miners of the past.

Cheers[/quote]

[quote="Jonathan Porter"]

slimpickens wrote:

WF2.0 wrote:  

All I know is, if a great coil is made, yet it is one that infringes IP rights, I simply will not use it. Hopefully if this does come to pass others will do the right thing.  

As has been stated by others on this forum many times, "If you don't like it then don't buy it", no one is twisting your arm. If sales are slow then the price will no doubt be adjusted, which I assume was the reason why Minelab lowered the price of the GPZ and have now also lowered the price of the GPZ19. I find it amazing that its OK for people to buy a metal detector and try to make a profit with it (why else would you buy it?), but its not OK for Minelab after spending millions on R&D to not also make a profit!! How many ounces have come out of the earth with Minelab product since 1995? Seriously? You want to punish the Goose that laid the golden egg? And then what? Complain because they are now no longer developing new detectors to "Rip you off with"?!!  

JP

We must have been writing at the same time...I didn't realise he was part if the management team. Perhaps the ban hammer may come for me..anyways I agree 100% with your post.
Cheers

It would be great if someone could come up with a better coil not a copy.

Lets pull the reigns back a little fellas. Slim, please don't make my job any harder than what it is? Lets not let things get out of hand here. As was stated by others, no one forces anyone to buy anything. Each of us buys it, because they want to. Now if there's an issue with a problem of any Item purchased, we take it up with the manufacturer. Besides, if anyone thinks that Minelab hasn't served us well over the years, then they should try getting the same satisfaction from some other company in a similar game.

Cheers Kon

Just to let all here know, that it was I who cleaned up some of the unnecessary comments on certain posts. Members as well as management take note, we either discuss things in a proper civilised manner or don't discuss them at all. I'll remind all once again, freedom of speech I will allow, defamatory or degrading comments between members, to this forum, or towards any business/company, will not be tolerated.

Management

Good work with the clean up Kon, I asked for it and I got it. I did go a little bit overboard, sorry about that. A lot of it was in jest, but it's hard to convey subtle humour on a forum post. In effect, most people only glaze at a post, their eyes are only drawn to certain key words and miss the gist of the whole post. Cheers, Harry

Thats where the problems can come into it.
Putting fingers to the keyboard
While one writes in jest another reads it differently
Unless you know the fellow prospector personally our humor can come across not so humorous.
Then even if you knew wf2, another may take it the wrong way

Hey Harry next time we shall put you in the naughty corner
 Now was i joking or not?  

Harry, if I were to ban/execute any member who tends to stray from the forum rules every now & then, I'd have to start with the banning of myself first.
We all have our moments every now & then, for its all part of being human. As long as one understands/acknowledges when they'v gone a little to far/overboard with their comments & stops doing what they're doing, is all I can ask for.

Cheers Kon.

Jen wrote:Thats where the problems can come into it.
Putting fingers to the keyboard
While one writes in jest another reads it differently
Unless you know the fellow prospector personally our humor can come across not so humorous.
Then even if you knew wf2, another may take it the wrong way

Hey Harry next time we shall put you in the naughty corner
 Now was i joking or not?  

Jeez Jen, just when I needed it, you came up with the right things to say. Thank you. Hope you find a nice little lumper tomorrow, karma will be with you.

I bought the 7000 as soon has been released, so I paid $10700 for the pleasure to have it, I am very happy with the 14" coil that came with the machine, the only time I can buy another coil is if came from Minelab, I don't trust the after market coils like I don't trust the mods on metal detectors, so if Minelab haven't release any smaller or lighter coil, in my opinion that means that for now the 14" is the best for the machine. If was possible to overrun the chip Nugget Finder would have already made some new coils for the 7000, is the only company, a part Minelab, that I trust.