Are CoilTek & NF using New Mono Coil Technology?

The new NF & Coiltek 14" mono coils are looking like they are a step up from their previous coils. These new monos have increased sensitivity and depth but the question is why?

ML can only run a set impedance for their coils as has been discussed on this forum and topic http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/detector-coils/how-can-all-of-this-be-achieved-with-a-mono-coil/
It is suggested on the forum that I have linked to above, that CoilTek may be using two small coils wired together to bring about the improvement we are seeing. Does anyone know what the new coils are using to bring about the increases in response and depth? Can this be used on the other size coils in their lineups?

Anyone from NF or CoilTek care to comment in general terms on how this improvement has come about?

Ian

I don't think the manufacturers would be willing to give out the secrets of what makes there coil better. It's like asking KFC what the secret herbs and spicers are in there recipe. I may be wrong but if I have an edge over my competition I wouldn't let them know my secrets.
Cheers Scrub

I'm not asking for "secrets" or the design data. I own the CoilTek 14" Elite and am curious about how the gains are achieved. Anyone can buy this coil and pull it apart to find out the "secrets" but I'm hoping for an informed opinion about the science behind it.

Its been suggested on the link I posted above, that the "new technology" may in fact be old technology revisited, like what was used in the military for mine detection. I think anyone with an inquiring mind would be interested to hear from the manufacturers or someone with a theory about whats made the improvement in these 14" coils.

Ian

Me thinks that these new coils are possibly based on the coil on the 7000 - DOD Technology ..?

???

Oh & I like KFC

ttrash wrote:Me thinks that these new coils are possibly based on the coil on the 7000 - DOD Technology  ..?

???

Oh & I like KFC  

All those secrets are revealed here in lovely coloured pictures and diagrams. http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/670-gpz-14-coil-for-minelab-gpz-7000/

Minelab are upfront with their new coil technology, hopefully someone can cast some light on these new 14" monos and what they are doing different to what they have been doing in the past. Maybe a picture of an opened up coil like in the link above of a current Commander 15x12 DD coil

I'm sure both NF and CoilTek open up each others coils and take a peek inside to see what the others upto. Its interesting to note that soon after CoilTek bought their new coil to market that NF suddenly were working on a similar project on the same size coil, coincidence I'm sure!

Ian

Curiosity got the better of me today so I phoned CoilTek and spoke to them about the new 14" coil. I discussed my thoughts and findings on using the coil on my GPX 5000 and also asked the big question, has the increased depth and sensitivity come about thru new technology? I had better point out here and now that I have zero affiliation with CoilTek, and that I bought my coil from Miners Den in Adelaide and paid full retail price for it.

The reply I got from a CoilTek staffer was satisfactory and explained how the improvements have come about. The coil is new technology for CoilTek but the theory has been around for some time. They have successfully wound the coil to produce a more vertically aligned field. This means the field that would normally extend out horizontally beyond the sides of the mono coil is now restricted to produce a stronger North/South alignment. This increased vertical alignment means more of the coil energy is directed down, (and up) into the soil and results in increased depth and sensitivity.

This is pretty much what I learned today from CoilTek, and if I have made a miss-quote then I trust it will be corrected by CoilTek and put right.

I have been using this coil quite a bit now and enjoy knowing that it finds both shallow small and also big stuff down deep. No nuggets yet, but single small shotgun pellets, (like my SDC 2300 finds) and found a penny that nearly deafened me thru the headphones!

Hopefully CoilTek will be using this advanced coil winding design on some more of their products.

Ian

1anSDC wrote:

NF suddenly were working on a similar project on the same size coil, coincidence I'm sure!

Ian

Not "Suddenly" mate.

Why don't you call Rohan and ask him too?

The 14" round and 17"x13" elliptical mono "Evolution coils are due for release mid-July as I understand it.

Robert

PS. I have used both and they are bl##dy rippers.

Hi Gold Nomad, 
Which one of these two new NF coils would you use as the preferred coil? 
Thanks, Uncle Bob

goldnomad wrote:

1anSDC wrote:

NF suddenly were working on a similar project on the same size coil, coincidence I'm sure!

Ian

Not "Suddenly" mate.

Why don't you call Rohan and ask him too?

The 14" round and 17"x13" elliptical mono "Evolution coils are due for release mid-July as I understand it.

Robert

PS. I have used both and they are bl##dy rippers.

Hey GN, its good to know you are pleased with the new NF coils, I would be pleased too if someone gave me free coils to use!

I had to buy mine, and I'm glag I did as its a "bl##dy ripper

By the way, just to let you know, the new technology CoilTek 14" Mono Elite is available to buy right now and has been for sometime. No need to wait till mid July to buy a NF clone of the original

They say imitation is a form of flattery so I guess CoilTek should be pleased that NF has followed their lead, (no pun intended ). Seriously though, its great to see new coils coming to market that improve the GPX, etc, detectors and close the gap a little to the GPZ 7000.

The new technology of the very cleverly wound CoilTek mono has improved sensitivity and depth and there is no law against another manufacturer buying one and copying it! There is no patent listed or pending on the coil I have, so I guess its open slather for anyone wanting to copy. The Chinese are masters at it as the Japanese were before them.

Seeing as Rohan is obviously a mate of yours, how about you asking him what the technology is that he is using in his new coils and then post it here. In the meantime if you want to buy one for yourself did I mention that they are on sale now from CoilTek and you dont have to wait till mid July.

Ian

1anSDC wrote:

goldnomad wrote:

1anSDC wrote:

NF suddenly were working on a similar project on the same size coil, coincidence I'm sure!

Ian

Not "Suddenly" mate.

Why don't you call Rohan and ask him too?

The 14" round and 17"x13" elliptical mono "Evolution coils are due for release mid-July as I understand it.

Robert

PS. I have used both and they are bl##dy rippers.

Hey GN, its good to know you are pleased with the new NF coils, I would be pleased too if someone gave me free coils to use!

I had to buy mine, and I'm glag I did as its a "bl##dy ripper

By the way, just to let you know, the new technology CoilTek 14" Mono Elite is available to buy right now and has been for sometime. No need to wait till mid July to buy a NF clone of the original  

They say imitation is a form of flattery so I guess CoilTek should be pleased that NF has followed their lead, (no pun intended   ). Seriously though, its great to see new coils coming to market that improve the GPX, etc, detectors and close the gap a little to the GPZ 7000.

The new technology of the very cleverly wound CoilTek mono has improved sensitivity and depth and there is no law against another manufacturer buying one and copying it! There is no patent listed or pending on the coil I have, so I guess its open slather for anyone wanting to copy. The Chinese are masters at it as the Japanese were before them.

Seeing as Rohan is obviously a mate of yours, how about you asking him what the technology is that he is using in his new coils and then post it here. In the meantime if you want to buy one for yourself did I mention that they are on sale now from CoilTek and you dont have to wait till mid July.

Ian

Ian,
you often read a lot of unsubstantiated waffle on forums, but I think you may have just set the benchmark.

Your first mistake is clearly visible in your opening post on this thread, ie: garnering some of your info off a forum owned and moderated by arguably the most discredited laughing stock ever to call himself a prospector.

FYI, both Nugget Finder and Coiltek's new Evolution and Elite coils had been in the works for many many months. Long before the majority of us heard a whisper or a rumour of a new coil.

Are you seriously suggesting Rohan just recently bought a Coiltek coil and copied it?

Just because one manufacturer brings one to the market a month or so before another manufacturer does, doesn't mean the other one must have copied him.
Have you any idea how much R & D goes into a new coil?

The coils that Robert used were test coils made available to many members of the public and yes possibly available to you to!
A good move by NF in my opinion, to gather feed back from the end users before the commercial release. All part of the "R" in R & D.

No doubt Robert will have to buy his if he wants one, as will I and I've used them too.

And yes Rohan is a friend hence why I find I needed to correct your insinuating he copied another respected manufacturers product. Please give him credit for having more brains and ethics than that.

Both Nugget Finder and Coiltek are without doubt two of the leading after market coil manufacturers, post facts not fiction and hear say or post nothing at all.

1anSDC wrote:

Hey GN, its good to know you are pleased with the new NF coils, I would be pleased too if someone gave me free coils to use!

I had to buy mine, and I'm glag I did as its a "bl##dy ripper They were not "free" coils. They were farmed out to dealers and testers for evaluation. I also have to buy mine at full retail so get your facts straight.

By the way, just to let you know, the new technology CoilTek 14" Mono Elite is available to buy right now and has been for sometime. No need to wait till mid July to buy a NF clone of the original   Unless you have proof that Nugget Finder has "cloned" Coiltek's Elite,I'd be VERY careful making statements that you can't back up

Seeing as Rohan is obviously a mate of yours, how about you asking him what the technology is that he is using in his new coils and then post it here. In the meantime if you want to buy one for yourself did I mention that they are on sale now from CoilTek and you dont have to wait till mid July.
Yes, I know Rohan. I don't need to ask about his technology as I don't care about it. All I need to know is that he makes the best coils.

Ian

For someone who has been a member here for five minutes, you assume a lot of incorrect things about other members and manufacturers. I suggest you think before you post in future and get your facts right.

Robert

PS. Well said 'Tuna

UNCLE BOB wrote:Hi Gold Nomad, 
Which one of these two new NF coils would you use as the preferred coil? 
Thanks, Uncle Bob

Hi Bob

I prefer the 17"x13" as, in theory, it will punch deeper. I also like the pinpointing ability of the elliptical.
There will be little weight difference and I believe the price will be the same for either.
You will be on a winner whichever one you choose mate.
Better put your name down with your favourite dealer as the lists are LOOOONNGG

Good luck

Robert

madtuna wrote:
Ian,
you often read a lot of unsubstantiated waffle on forums, but I think you may have just set the benchmark.

Your first mistake is clearly visible in your opening post on this thread, ie: garnering some of your info off a forum owned and moderated by arguably the most discredited laughing stock ever to call himself a prospector.

FYI, both Nugget Finder and Coiltek's new Evolution and Elite coils had been in the works for many many months. Long before the majority of us heard a whisper or a rumour of a new coil.

Are you seriously suggesting Rohan just recently bought a Coiltek coil and copied it?

Just because one manufacturer brings one to the market a month or so before another manufacturer does, doesn't mean the other one must have copied him.
Have you any idea how much R & D goes into a new coil?

The coils that Robert used were test coils made available to many members of the public and yes possibly available to you to!
A good move by NF in my opinion, to gather feed back from the end users before the commercial release. All part of the "R" in R & D.

No doubt Robert will have to buy his if he wants one, as will I and I've used them too.

And yes Rohan is a friend hence why I find I needed to correct your insinuating he copied another respected manufacturers product. Please give him credit for having more brains and ethics than that.

Both Nugget Finder and Coiltek are without doubt two of the leading after market coil manufacturers, post facts not fiction and hear say or post nothing at all.

Hello MT, thanks for your input on this thread about the technology going into the new coils, or was it more about suggesting that it is sheer coincidence that two new, similar/identical 14" mono coils come to market within months of one being released?

As a stated friend of Rohan's then maybe you could ask him to contribute to this thread and discuss in general terms what the new NF coil does to achieve its increased depth and sensitivity. That would be much appreciated and contribute to this thread's topic.

My interest in this is simply that I have bought a brilliant new coil and am wondering why it works so well! I have have a technical curiosity as I have a technical background and buying the CoilTek unit I asked CoilTek for an technical explanation which I received.

Look forward to reading about NF's tech explanation on the improvement they have made and if its the same as CoilTek's explanation which I gave in the above post.

Ian

1anSDC wrote:

madtuna wrote:
Ian,
you often read a lot of unsubstantiated waffle on forums, but I think you may have just set the benchmark.

Your first mistake is clearly visible in your opening post on this thread, ie: garnering some of your info off a forum owned and moderated by arguably the most discredited laughing stock ever to call himself a prospector.

FYI, both Nugget Finder and Coiltek's new Evolution and Elite coils had been in the works for many many months. Long before the majority of us heard a whisper or a rumour of a new coil.

Are you seriously suggesting Rohan just recently bought a Coiltek coil and copied it?

Just because one manufacturer brings one to the market a month or so before another manufacturer does, doesn't mean the other one must have copied him.
Have you any idea how much R & D goes into a new coil?

The coils that Robert used were test coils made available to many members of the public and yes possibly available to you to!
A good move by NF in my opinion, to gather feed back from the end users before the commercial release. All part of the "R" in R & D.

No doubt Robert will have to buy his if he wants one, as will I and I've used them too.

And yes Rohan is a friend hence why I find I needed to correct your insinuating he copied another respected manufacturers product. Please give him credit for having more brains and ethics than that.

Both Nugget Finder and Coiltek are without doubt two of the leading after market coil manufacturers, post facts not fiction and hear say or post nothing at all.

Hello MT, thanks for your input on this thread about the technology going into the new coils, or was it more about suggesting that it is sheer coincidence that two new, similar/identical 14" mono coils come to market within months of one being released?

As a stated friend of Rohan's then maybe you could ask him to contribute to this thread and discuss in general terms what the new NF coil does to achieve its increased depth and sensitivity. That would be much appreciated and contribute to this thread's topic.

My interest in this is simply that I have bought a brilliant new coil and am wondering why it works so well! I have have a technical curiosity as I have a technical background and buying the CoilTek unit I asked CoilTek for an technical explanation which I received.

Look forward to reading about NF's tech explanation on the improvement they have made and if its the same as CoilTek's explanation which I gave in the above post.

Ian

Ian,

If you've read my report on my trial with the 14" NF Evo, you'll remember where I posted something along the lines of I don't know or care what's in it or how it works, all I care is that it works and how to work it.
As I also said, I leave that technical stuff up to the manufacturer.

I posted in this thread to correct your assumption that Rohan (NF) copied or cloned Trevor's (CT) product.
This is just simply not true, and it appears you've based this false assumption purely on the fact that the CT product has hit the shelves before the NF product.
Both manufacturers no doubt have a continuous R&D program and when bringing a new product to the market, just like multiple births, one always pops it's head out first.

FYI, NF has had a 14" round coil in their line up for years. I know CT also did at one stage, but I don't think they had one in their previous Gold stalker range (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) They did however have a 14" x9" as did NF.
So by your reasoning, one could assume CT copied NF by adding a 14" round to their line up? This would be as silly as your assumption.

NF has also been using Litz wiring for about or over 20 years. Again correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the recent Blitz series was the first to use Litz wiring in the CT range. So again, by your reasoning one could assume CT has copied NF?
Again not true.

In your post here you even use the word "Identical" yet by your questions here and on the lunatic forum, you obviously have no idea what's inside.

As for me asking Rohan for you, would you like me to swing your coil and dig your nuggets too? Would sir like a coffee or tea?

Edit: CT did have a 14" round in the gold stalker range

Hey MT, I'll take a coffee, white with one sugar, since your offering

It seems you have nothing to offer on the tech side for this thread and you just see yourself as supporting your friend Rohan's good name and his products. All well and good and I have no problem with that and you are entitled to your personal opinion!

I posted earlier if you actually have read this thread, that I am sure manufacturers check out and may copy each others products or methods of assembly, or even coil winding advances.

Let me make it clear, I dont think copying is bad or unlawful, (unless product is protected by patent, etc) or immoral, its the way of the world. We end up with better products by manufacturers copying the best parts of a device and incorporating it into their own devices. Its just that normally the kudos goes to the originator of the product or idea and in this case I see CoilTek as the originator of this new 14" mono coil regardless of what your personal opinion may be.

I was going to buy a NF 14x9 mono which has a great reputation but thought I try and see if the new CoilTek Elite may be a better choice for me and my needs. I am happy with my choice just as I'm sure plenty would be happy with something else. Whats good about having two great coil manufacturers offering new and varied coils is that we all win in the end, regardless of who first designed and built it.

Now I would love someone to come forward with an on-topic account of what NF have done to create their new 14" mono, any takers?

Ian

A couple of straight forward questions with a yes or no answers.

1. Are you saying Nugget Finder (Rohan) acquired a Coiltek (Trevor) 14" round Elite coil and took it apart and copied it and is releasing his copy as the new 14" round Evolution coil?

2. Are you saying their internal workings are identical?

Actually, don't bother answering, silly me for taking the bait.

madtuna wrote:Actually, don't bother answering, silly me for taking the bait.

Hey MT, I'm starting to think that you have seen or focused on only one tiny aspect of what I have been saying and asking. If you have truly read the thread and can comprehend plain English, I have been asking the question, what is the new tech that NF and CT are using that has given their coils the boost we are seeing.

You have a narrow focus on my stating that I think NF have followed CT's lead to market with and enhanced 14" mono that seems near identical from the reports people are giving. I dont think this is a coincidence!

I dont know how CT have wound their coil to achieve the boost but I was given a tech explanation of what the new winding does with the field of the coil to enhance its response. I have also asked for input on what NF have done. Have they copied and improved the CT coil or simply bought another standard 14" mono to compete with CT?

You have made it clear you are not a tech person or in the least bit interested, that is your choice. It has also been your choice to focus on the name of Rohan and NF and this has detracted from the aim of this thread.

I have zero problems with your personal opinions and I enjoy reading your comments in other threads. I am not the enemy, just someone who also has a personal opinion on matters and enjoys looking for gold with a detector. I'm hoping some time in the future to take you up on your offer of trying out NF's new coils.

Ian

Yes, I've stated I am not technical and that I don't care how it works, just how to work it.

And yes I've basically focused on one of your points. That being, that Rohan has bought, pulled apart and copied Coiltek's product and released a clone.

This is simply not true. It's an unfounded rumour started by you, with absolutely no evidence and based purely on the fact that Coiltek's product hit the shelves before his did.

This point needed correction.

Most intelligent people here would obviously know that not to be true, but some possibly wouldn't.

Rohan provides outstanding customer service and support, has a brilliant business and work ethic, plus provides us with an exceptional product.
Unfounded rumours like this can serve no purpose but to sully his good name and reputation, so of cause I will focus on that point and correct it.

G'day 1anSDC

With all due respect, mate, Rohan (Nuggetfinder) may well read the forum but as far as I know never chooses to post or comment, that is his right and I know for sure his products have stood the test of time over and over again.

Coiltek Manufacturing (Trevor) is a member here and does post and comments on topics from time to time, I don't expect he will enter into this debate, as his products also has stood the test of time.

From my point of view it like which is best Holden or Ford, well everyone has their preference and no amount of talk/persuasion will alter that, it is what it is, like ying and yang it goes around forever.

cheers dave

Hello IanSdc,

You obviously do not know how to apologise....... Try and give it a go my friend.
It's not that hard 

davsgold wrote:G'day 1anSDC

With all due respect, mate, Rohan (Nuggetfinder) may well read the forum but as far as I know never chooses to post or comment, that is his right and I know for sure his products have stood the test of time over and over again.

Coiltek Manufacturing (Trevor) is a member here and does post and comments on topics from time to time, I don't expect he will enter into this debate, as his products also has stood the test of time.

From my point of view it like which is best Holden or Ford, well everyone has their preference and no amount of talk/persuasion will alter that, it is what it is, like ying and yang it goes around forever.

cheers dave

Dave, I agree with your comment about the Holden and Ford camps, a lot of people are very brand loyal and good luck to them! It would be nice to hear directly from Rohan and have him speak for himself on the subject of "new technology" being introduced. From what you say it probably wont happen and thats a pity.

Its disappointing that self elected cheer leaders for these camps keep posting off-topic comments, not just on this thread, but many threads on this forum. I guess its upto the forum admin to keep it in check if its warranted.

Back on-topic!

Both CoilTek and Nugget Finder really need these new coils to take off and create a new again market for the older MineLab GPX, etc, range of detectors. ML are currently making machines that dont readily allow third party coils to be fitted. I am talking about the new SDC2300 and of-course the mortgage your house to buy GPZ7000.

If CT and NF bring to market coils that close the gap to these two new ML detectors, then they will have opened the doors to renewed production and sales! Those that cant afford or dont want the latest detector can buy a coil to upgrade their current machine.

Having said that, I would think that both these manufacturers would talk up the "new technology" aspect of these coils just as MineLab do whenever they introduce something different and new. MineLab may choose to build the machine that fills the gap in their model numbering system, that would be a GPX6000. If they build this machine and base it on the GPX5000 and include the SDC2300's MPF fast Tx switch off then they would be on a winner. If this imaginary GPX6000 was to be released then ML would probably need to include the 8" coil as well to enable MPF along with the new electronics needed for new model release.

Its a crucial time for coil manufacturers, as stated above, the new detectors have meant that the detector accessory coil market could one day soon die out completely. Its never been more important for CT and NF to produce new coils that will boost detector performance. I wish both coil manufacturers well and am really enjoying my new 14" mono elite coil and look forward to trying out the new NF coils when they come to market.

Ian

Actually, what I've posted here is completely on topic. It's in response to a couple of incorrect assumptions made by you in a thread you started.

1. Because Robert (and a few others) have used the NF coil we all must be mates of Rohan and so get our coils free.

2. Basically that NF has bought, pulled apart and cloned CT's 14" round Elite coil.

So again I'll ask a couple of straight forward questions with a yes or no answers if you'd please. But feel free to expand if you can and provide us with evidence of how you've come to that conclusion.
The fact that the CT offering hit the shelves before the NF coil could hardly be construed as evidence.

1. Are you saying Nugget Finder (Rohan) acquired a Coiltek (Trevor) 14" round Elite coil and took it apart and copied it and is releasing his copy as the new 14" round Evolution coil?

2. Are you saying their internal workings are identical?


Had NF's EVO his the shelf before the CT ELITE and you'd insinuated CT cloned the NF Coil, you can bet your life I'd be here "cheer leading" as you put it for CT just as passionately.

Both are exceptional coil makers in their own right.

Hey MT, this thread needed an injection of light humour and you have just provided it

Its a joke that you pretend to hold some high moral ground in this when you are so obviously prejudiced and biased in your opinion.

1. Your a personal friend of Rohans and actually involved in clever "mate marketing" by distributing NF coils to friends.

2. Its a fact CoilTek have their product to market now and NF dont, anything else you have to say on this matter is pure fantasy as far as I'm concerned.

3. I wouldn't believe a word written by you in relation to this thread, as your prejudice and bias place you in the realm of emotional over-reaction and unable to be objective.

Your the one from your first post on this thread that thought aggression would somehow show that you were right! You have pretended to hold some moral high ground when its never been an issue.

I think you are doing Rohan and NF more harm than good!

I for one will take any comment you make here or in any other thread about NF coils with a grain of salt! You simply are too close to NF marketing, either directly or indirectly for me to trust a word you say!

Now how are you going to carry on if CoilTek come to market with a new 17x13" mono and I say that its a NF copy and has identical qualities???????? You gunna jump in and defend CoilTeks honor, I dont think so!

Finally, where's that coffee and coil you offered me a few posts back or is that only for your friends?

Ian

Guys, I think it's about time to stop the slinging match backwards and forwards and attacking each other's character and beliefs and whatever. The topic is about "is NF and CT using new mono coil technology?". It's safe to say that there is new design technology incorporated in these new coils, whether it's the same or different between the manufacturers is a question for someone that has 900 odd bucks to splash around, buying both of them and them ripping them apart. I for one wont be doing that and I doubt many here on this forum will be doing it either. All we care about is whether they work "better" and from my personal experience with the CT Elite, I can say that it works exceptionally great and by the reports of the fortunate early users of the NF Evo, they say that works great too, so it's safe to say that for the people that can't afford the new ML flagship 7k, at least these new coils go some little way to bridge the gap.

Now let's get back to topic in this topic because if the slinging match continues, I will have to ring the bell and call it a draw (ie I will lock it down)...

1anSDC wrote:Hey MT, this thread needed an injection of light humour and you have just provided it

Its a joke that you pretend to hold some high moral ground in this when you are so obviously prejudiced and biased in your opinion.

1. Your a personal friend of Rohans and actually involved in clever "mate marketing" by distributing NF coils to friends.

2. Its a fact CoilTek have their product to market now and NF dont, anything else you have to say on this matter is pure fantasy as far as I'm concerned.

3. I wouldn't believe a word written by you in relation to this thread, as your prejudice and bias place you in the realm of emotional over-reaction and unable to be objective.

Your the one from your first post on this thread that thought aggression would somehow show that you were right! You have pretended to hold some moral high ground when its never been an issue.

I think you are doing Rohan and NF more harm than good!

I for one will take any comment you make here or in any other thread about NF coils with a grain of salt! You simply are too close to NF marketing, either directly or indirectly for me to trust a word you say!

Now how are you going to carry on if CoilTek come to market with a new 17x13" mono and I say that its a NF copy and has identical qualities???????? You gunna jump in and defend CoilTeks honor, I dont think so!

Finally, where's that coffee and coil you offered me a few posts back or is that only for your friends?  

Ian  

1anSDC, this is a first and final warning, another rant/post like this against a long standing member here is not going to be tolerated, any more posts like this and you will be given a holiday from this forum

ADMIN

CostasDee wrote:Guys, I think it's about time to stop the slinging match backwards and forwards and attacking each other's character and beliefs and whatever. The topic is about "is NF and CT using new mono coil technology?". It's safe to say that there is new design technology incorporated in these new coils, whether it's the same or different between the manufacturers is a question for someone that has 900 odd bucks to splash around, buying both of them and them ripping them apart. I for one wont be doing that and I doubt many here on this forum will be doing it either. All we care about is whether they work "better" and from my personal experience with the CT Elite, I can say that it works exceptionally great and by the reports of the fortunate early users of the NF Evo, they say that works great too, so it's safe to say that for the people that can't afford the new ML flagship 7k, at least these new coils go some little way to bridge the gap.

Now let's get back to topic in this topic because if the slinging match continues, I will have to ring the bell and call it a draw (ie I will lock it down)...

Ok CostasDee and Dave I acknowledge the umpire blowing the whistle and welcome it!
Only too happy to get back on track!

Ian