Gold Sucker Pump

Hi all,
If anyone here is interested to build his/her own "Gold-Sand Sucker" (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDaGuK_cJA&feature=related), I designed and build my own pump and it works a treat. The plans are absolutely free for the asking.
Just pm me.
My pump is a self cleaning double check-valve action, cheap to build and better then what you see in the movie.
Total cost app. $50.00.
Have a look at the YouTube movie first, then if it's of interest, email me.

See you up them thar hills
Frank

My own Gold N Sand Hand Dredge which I purchased this year to evaluate.

Technically this is a hand dredge. The video you linked to is the actual Gold N Sand model and the maker of this device assures me that there's a few illegal knock offs which 'don't work quite as well as the original'... more on that in a moment. The Gold N Sand is/was USD$99 and I purchased a Gold N Sand pump system from the US a couple months ago, expecting it to work nicely. Mechanically it appeared to be quite sound. But the system of leather valves and the distances involved between the valves and the outer nozzle meant that mine was not ideal for small Gold - which tends to fall back out before it makes it into the hose. Even some of the smaller gravel didn't make it into the hose. Part of the reason is that the Gold is too heavy for the distances involved (between components) and also the amount of suction produced is not strong enough. I ended up removing the lid from the bucket and placed it directly into my panning dish and weighed it down with a rock. Then I pumped directly into the pan but neither setup worked flawlessly. In fact I crushed the webbing between my thumb and forefinger at one stage... did it again too. So watch yourself if you use one. It did transport some sand and debris but the results for me were more satisfying with a modified yabby pump. If it was twice as powerful (suction wise) as the one I used it would be a winner. And the construction is actually quite tough. Several interchangeable heads with filter came with it as well (see picture).

The seller was straight forward, fast to ship (it arrived internationally in UNDER 5 days!) and took the time to explain to me why his components were designed to work well and would be long lasting. Unfortunately, I wasn't as happy with the results as I thought I would be. There is a "running in" time for the leather seals which expand in water and are superior to greased washer-system. But by the end of the tests I don't think it worked as effectively as I had hoped it would. I'll give it another test later to see if the valves have been broken in properly and work more efficiently.

Not sure you can produce and sell it here in Australia because the Gold N Sand is ALSO disctributed by several nominated dealers (according to the manufacturer) who will either report you for doing this to the Federal Police (the same squad that visits the local Sydney/Melboune markets looking for illegal, unlicenced knock offs) or find you personally and work you over for damging their livelihood. It seems to be a case of "Monkey See- Monkey Do" in the Prospecting community... and that's the way it was in the 1800's too. Make your own by all means but don't go selling these knock offs to the public by directing them to videos of the original product and then offering them your own under the guise of yours being "as good as the real one" (not that this is what you are doing... I'm just saying "be careful"). I can assure others that it will cost a LOT more than $50 to make one of these though. At least twice that if you look at the valve mechanism required in order to shift sand into the tube. I gather you didn't see the thread last week on violating overseas design patents in the Prospecting community?

Cheers,

Marco

hi marco,
i know a bloke that had the same problem, to give it
more suction he put some stiff rubber beneath the
leather so it was more firmer right out to the edges.
might help
cheers

fencejumper wrote:...to give it
more suction he put some stiff rubber beneath the
leather so it was more firmer right out to the edges.
might help
cheers

Thanks, Fencejumper... That's a great idea. Much appreciated!

Cheers,

Marco

Hi Nero,

Please read my first post again.....
The plans for my pump are absolutely free, but for the asking for it.
I do not ask any money for it, I do not accept any donations for it, if anyone wants to have a "go " at me, bring it on....
My system is different then to the "gold and sand" pump that you have bought and which I referred to in my first post. Mine works similar, but better, due to a "almost" non-clogging and self cleaning check valve system.
I made several pumps, they work ok, if you're after flakey stuff.
The reason why I made those plans available is simply that I want to help others, if they want to build a good, reliable hand operated dredging system, 'cause that's what it is.
See you up them thar hills
Frank

gray.nomad wrote:Hi all,
If anyone here is interested to build his/her own "Gold-Sand Sucker" (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDaGuK_cJA&feature=related), I designed and build my own pump and it works a treat. The plans are absolutely free for the asking.
Just pm me.
My pump is a self cleaning double check-valve action, cheap to build and better then what you see in the movie.
Total cost app. $50.00.
Have a look at the YouTube movie first, then if it's of interest, email me.

See you up them thar hills
Frank

Hi all,

Thanks to detrackozi I have come across "file Sharing". Thanks also, Clarrie, for the WA files.

I have uploaded the plans for the "Sucker Pump". So, if you want to build a sucker.
just go there.
http://www.4shared.com/file/96591569/e149e50a/Pump_Instructions_doc_.html

If you need help with anything later, PM me.

See you up them thar hills
Frank

Wow, I just came by this and I'm glad I did..what a great forum! My name is Red and I make the Gold-N-Sand hand dredge and am very interested in responding to any question that you may have regarding the hand pump. I have made these pumps for almost 2 years and have made some changes that seem to relate to some previous comments. The pump now comes with two plastic tension washers inside each leather cup which allowing them to swell tighter against the 2" wall tube. As the cups absorb water a swell, it may be necessary to remove one of these to allow for less friction. I've notices that the kits seem to cause most of the problem because the ABS plastic pipe that must be purchased elsewhere sometimes is inconsistent with what I get here in the States. I am embarrassed that I didn't think of this before but time has a way of slappin' sense to the brain. You can easily make these plastic washers by taking a lid and cutting them out with a 2" hole saw and placing 2 in each cup to start.

Another new design note: When using the pump it is quite easy to pull the plunger completely out of the tube causing some frustration and bad words. Please be patient and try to visualize a hand saw instead of a pump. This technique will create "muscle memory" and you will not fight the plunger anymore. Draw the plunger minimally at first until you are used to the length. Also, I bevel the inside edge of the tube now to make it easier to insert the plunger. Thank you all for your business and hope to continue a good relationship with you all.

i would like to get a plan for the gold sucker that grey nomad built thank you in advance joe.k

Hi guys,
I had a few requests lately for the info of how to build your own gold sucker pump. To make it easy on all, here is the link to it.
http://www.4shared.com/get/124743104/896b0085/Pump_Instructions.html

Total costs app: $ 50.00 Aust. and 4-5 hours time in the shed.
The instructions are comprehensive, but if you get into any problems, I am happy to help, just PM me.
The self cleaning check valve system is my own "Inventions", which I am happy to share with all prospectors.
The instructions are FREE, as opposed to other plans (usually US) for similar things on the WWW.
The pump can also be used for other purposes, I also use mine for cleaning out the crap in my fish pond.

Best regards
Frank

Gday Frank and all Ive personally seen this invention and It is of great design and simplicity just 1 of GrayNomads inventions when I took Frank around to a little local spot he gave me another of his creations an external amp speaker which I have since used and even found a little .3grammer with just yesterday.Keep up the great work Frank Ill catch up with you soon and who knows what we might find >Cheers Dave

Hello Dave,
Thank you very much for showing me around and thanks for those kind words.
I am very happy that you could use the external speaker with success. I am certainly looking forward to
get some serious detecting done. Hopefully, my plans will come to fruition, in which case you will have some
more recruits for the CFA.

Thanks again and best regards
Frank

G'day all,
I have uploaded a small digital movie to
http://www.4shared.com/account/file/184992277/b683a7cd/PumpDemo.html

It's called PumpDemo.
What it does: It gives a demo of HOW this pump works, Yeah, I know it's not very good, but better then nothing
and it's free.
I recommend that all who wanted to build this pump have a squizz at the movie file. You will need
Flash Player 8 on your 'puter.
How to download: Click on the link above
click on the "download button" (a new page opens up.) 2 Options
1. You can watch the movie on the web page or
2. You can download the movie by hitting the BIG BLUE button and save it to your 'puter.


Too all,
Have a bloody good New Year and see you up them thar hills.
Frank

Nice one Frank.looks like it would be easy to make. And have a good year too mate Regards Johnny

Thats good Frank, very simple and looks to be quite effective. Now for the list of parts and a set of instructions for assembly

cheers dave

Hi all,

http://www.4shared.com/account/dir/14242699/6418403/sharing.html?rnd=33
and select "Pump Instructions".

Had the "how to build" instructions posted previously. Just finished the movie to help
others to understand how the system works.
Best regards
Frank.

PS.
The other movies are for different purposes, but have a look if you wish.
Very helpful if you own a caravan.

Thanks Hobo and have a good new year as well.

HOBO'S Gold wrote:Nice one Frank.looks like it would be easy to make. And have a good year too mate Regards Johnny

Hi all,

I have been asked of where to get the 30mm steel ball from. The answer is: Any Ball Bearing joint should have them or should be able to get them for you, costs about $10.00 and is the most expensive single item for this pump.
See you down them creeks.

Regards
Frank

Hi gang
I use whats called a Henderson pump for sucking up river gravels and they are so simple to make

WHAT YOU NEED
1 standered tenis ball
1 standered wooden broom handle
Depending on how long you want your sucker (average 3ft) of black plastic drain pipe
1 wood screw about 2.5inches long No8/No10 size
2 large washers about 1inch/1 1/4 inch with No8/No10 whole in the midle
1 screw driver
1 hack saw

CONSTRUCTION

Put the first washer on the screw then screw through the midle of the tenis ball and place on the second washer,
screw this onto the end of the broom handle and tighten up the screw untill the tenis ball is a snug fit inside the drain pipe

And there you go one sucker, trim pipe and handle to your comfort

These pumps are good for any depth of water you just cut them to the required lenth/depth.
I've used one in over 6 foot of water, useing same lenth handle just a longer pipe.
You can add atachments to them, angles for those awkward to reach spots, or reduce the end down to 1/2 inch or smaller for sucking out cracks.

P.S
HOW TO USE INSTRUCTIONS

place in water down to gravel/sand
pull on handle to suck
swing the open end of pipe over a bucket
and push handle back down to empty pipe
quick and easy to use

I put these instrucktions in because on the other posts on this subject you have all sorts of pipes and fittings to use
the thing with this system is there is no pipes or bits to get blocked with stones unless you suck a stone the size of a tenis ball if so and it jams just pull handle all the way out and put it back in again the wrong way around and knock out the jamed stone

Frank, when I tried to download from your link it simply did not work.
The pump looks great and I would certainly like to make one.
Is it possible for you to send the plans by email to me?
Thank you, Bazza

hi all,


could u please email me the plan for the gold sucker that grey nomad built.

cheers dudman1

Hi there,
Newish to the world of prospecting & was trying to get hold of the plans from Gray.Nomad's gold pump/sucker but it appears that he hasn't logged into this site since July...
Did anyone ever receive a copy of his plans?
If someone does have plans, could you please give me any info about the pump or even email me the plans if it's suitable to my needs.

Much appreciated

Cheers - Marty

AG MAn

send him a private message and he should get it!!!

explorer wrote:AG MAn

send him a private message and he should get it!!!

Thanks for that, I did pm him & then looked at his profile & noticed he hasn't logged on since June or July...

Will wait for a reply but looking elsewhere for ideas for a pump aswell hey.


Cheers - Marty

*no stress - could have changed email addres or any number of reason's that there's no reply...

Hi Guys, I PMed him weeks ago & have heard nothing.

JW

gray.nomad wrote:Hi all,
If anyone here is interested to build his/her own "Gold-Sand Sucker" (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDaGuK_cJA&feature=related), I designed and build my own pump and it works a treat. The plans are absolutely free for the asking.
Just pm me.
My pump is a self cleaning double check-valve action, cheap to build and better then what you see in the movie.
Total cost app. $50.00.
Have a look at the YouTube movie first, then if it's of interest, email me.

See you up them thar hills
Frank

Hi gray.nomad , are these plans still available to the general public ? This maybe a long shot as Gray.Nomad has been back on the site for " Last visit: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:11 pm"

cheers

Hi , Dammmmmmmmmmm none of these links work nor can't find the information as per instructions LOL is it me or my PC

Cheers

Good morning all,
It seems 24Kt is operating with half a brain, same as myself. When I try to open that link I get a page that says invalid file download 4share. Went through that process and was told how wonderful it was but then what....? Nothing. Go back to the link and same thing.... or should I do it 40 times like my old lawn mower which I would warn and say, `Okay. of you don't start on the 40th pull then I am dumping you.' It would often start somewhere between about pull 26 and 39.
But thanks to Goldslinger. You should be writing instruction manuals. I can actually understand what you're saying. Recently got my wife a replacement mobile phone and an HD Sony DVD. Each has 100 page or more manuals that I am still grappling with.

He must have removed the file. here is one that is similar to what gold nomad had I think. It is on youtube and here is the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdSvNCtfHws