Where has Global Warming Gone ?

This is fun reading
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been.

although this bit is total bs.
Quote,
Modern human civilization, with its permanent agriculture and settlements, has developed over just the past 10,000 years or so. Unquote.

You can stretch that 10,000 years out to around 125,000 years.

butch wrote:This is a gold diggin forum PC, so what metal detector do you have?
I will be updating my GP3500 soon, unmarked pristine condition...  $2000 to you only.

Not answering the question. I guess you're no expert detectorist then.

Butch, why continue to incite an argument for the sole purpose of arguing? If you got something to sell, then put it up on the "Items Wanted/For Sale section. First & last warning.

Management

Am i the only one? I'm always taking the bait.

No, you are not the only one on here that tends to stray off track butch, there are others & I'm one step away from dealing with each one accordingly. There's a difference between straying off topic & unfair criticism. I've been more than patient & less draconian with everyone on here, but if the few wish not to understand, then draconian tactics it will be.
Its not just the weather changes or climate change we have to worry about, but a whole lot other confronting issues concerning the world today & we'll understand it better without the rhetoric behind the sciences, politics or religion.
The world is on edge as we speak, must we too make it less desirable, less unfavourable?  Would it hurt to be a little more polite & understanding towards one another?  

Kon

The sun probably has a more than average effect on the climate and weather of the Earth donch think??     Or so you would think?
the little black dot in the centre of this image of the sun this morning is representative of the Earth on the scale of this pic. At this scale the Earth would be orbiting at approx 22 mtr distant .
So I guess if you think of things on the scale of this pic then the amount of IR & UV reaching the Earth is pretty feeble and therefore it would not take much to increase or decrease the temp here on the planet........Like I mean just a piddling little thin bit of cloud can change the local air and surface temp from hot to cold in an instant.
So I guess humans and other earth bound life forms are nothing more than overly sensitive touchy feely biochemical EMF receivers....

What about the weather?


As explained in a letter written by Mr N. Bartley to The Queenslander on Saturday the 19th of September 1885, Australia ALWAYS was and ALWAYS will be a land of droughts and flooding rains.

“From 1782 to 1792, Captain Flinders landed at intervals in various places on the south and east coasts of our continent, and he found traces of drought and bush fires invariably”.

Then came a wet period, and in nearly every year from 1799 to 1806 there were high floods in New South Wales. The Hawkesbury River, it is stated, rose 101ft. at the town of Windsor, crops were destroyed, wheat cost 80s. a bushel, and there was almost a famine, as may well be imagined.

Excessive rain ruled till 1810, when it stopped, and in 1811 water was sold at 6d. a bucketful in Sydney. From 1811 till 1826 there were more floods than droughts, and the Hunter River rose 37ft. in 1820; but from 1826 to 1829 was the longest, continuous, and recorded drought in Australia, and 4d. a gallon was paid for water in Sydney in 1829.

In 1830 came the first great flood for eleven years, and Windsor, on the Hawkesbury, was, once more, an island pro tem.

After this, however, the years were moderately but decidedly dry ones, and A.D. 1837, 1838, and 1839 brought a three years’ drought, which almost exterminated the sheep and cattle of Australia, and dried up that great “father of waters” the big Murrumbidgee River itself, leaving the very fish to putrefy in the dry bed thereof, and anyone who has seen and crossed this river in flood time, ten miles wide (as I have), can imagine what weather it took to dry it up, for the main river, though narrow, is very deep.

Then came more floods after the break-up of this drought; and, in 1841, was the highest known flood in this part of the world. The Brisbane and Bremer rivers were both in flood at once, and the water rose 70ft. at Ipswich.

From 1841 to 1849 there was rather more rain than was wanted, but the latter half of 1849, all of 1850, and the early part of 1851 gave us another severe drought, and “Black Thursday,” 6th February, 1851, “boxed” the scattered bush-fires of the colony of Victoria into one vast wide blaze, before a northerly hurricane, which blew coaches and men-of-wars’ rowing boats over like hats. Farms, buildings, fences, crops, and lives were lost of course.

This drought broke in May, 1851, and in 1852 came a flood that swept the town of Gundagai, on the Murrumbidgee, away, and drowned a score or two of the in-habitants. 1857, 1863, 1864, 1870, 1873,1875, and 1879 saw floods of more or less height in the Brisbane River, with boats rowing in Mary-street and Stanley-street, taking people out of houses in the first four years named.

1869 and 1877 were dry years; 1882 and early 1883 were wet, and then, after the Java and Sumatra earthquake of August, 1883, came the constant evening glow and iron drought that has scarcely been broken since; the present is, no doubt, one of the periodic heavy droughts (like the 1826 and 1838 ones) which visit us at times, and become forgotten in the flood intervals, and it seems to be further complicated by the Krakatoa earthquake of August, 1883, on which occasion the pent up subterranean gases which usually form a comparatively harmless vent in ordinary volcanoes became increased, and found it needful to burst up a large area of sea and land in order to find escape.”

Easy to see where all of the worlds atmospheric pollution comes from.....The Northern Hemisphere.
The Southern Hem is clean.

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=3;55;2&l=aqi&t=20220319/0000

butch wrote:What about the weather?


As explained in a letter written by Mr N. Bartley to The Queenslander on Saturday the 19th of September 1885, Australia ALWAYS was and ALWAYS will be a land of droughts and flooding rains.

“From 1782 to 1792, Captain Flinders landed at intervals in various places on the south and east coasts of our continent, and he found traces of drought and bush fires invariably”.

Then came a wet period, and in nearly every year from 1799 to 1806 there were high floods in New South Wales. The Hawkesbury River, it is stated, rose 101ft. at the town of Windsor, crops were destroyed, wheat cost 80s. a bushel, and there was almost a famine, as may well be imagined.

Excessive rain ruled till 1810, when it stopped, and in 1811 water was sold at 6d. a bucketful in Sydney. From 1811 till 1826 there were more floods than droughts, and the Hunter River rose 37ft. in 1820; but from 1826 to 1829 was the longest, continuous, and recorded drought in Australia, and 4d. a gallon was paid for water in Sydney in 1829.

In 1830 came the first great flood for eleven years, and Windsor, on the Hawkesbury, was, once more, an island pro tem.

After this, however, the years were moderately but decidedly dry ones, and A.D. 1837, 1838, and 1839 brought a three years’ drought, which almost exterminated the sheep and cattle of Australia, and dried up that great “father of waters” the big Murrumbidgee River itself, leaving the very fish to putrefy in the dry bed thereof, and anyone who has seen and crossed this river in flood time, ten miles wide (as I have), can imagine what weather it took to dry it up, for the main river, though narrow, is very deep.

Then came more floods after the break-up of this drought; and, in 1841, was the highest known flood in this part of the world. The Brisbane and Bremer rivers were both in flood at once, and the water rose 70ft. at Ipswich.

From 1841 to 1849 there was rather more rain than was wanted, but the latter half of 1849, all of 1850, and the early part of 1851 gave us another severe drought, and “Black Thursday,” 6th February, 1851, “boxed” the scattered bush-fires of the colony of Victoria into one vast wide blaze, before a northerly hurricane, which blew coaches and men-of-wars’ rowing boats over like hats. Farms, buildings, fences, crops, and lives were lost of course.

This drought broke in May, 1851, and in 1852 came a flood that swept the town of Gundagai, on the Murrumbidgee, away, and drowned a score or two of the in-habitants. 1857, 1863, 1864, 1870, 1873,1875, and 1879 saw floods of more or less height in the Brisbane River, with boats rowing in Mary-street and Stanley-street, taking people out of houses in the first four years named.

1869 and 1877 were dry years; 1882 and early 1883 were wet, and then, after the Java and Sumatra earthquake of August, 1883, came the constant evening glow and iron drought that has scarcely been broken since; the present is, no doubt, one of the periodic heavy droughts (like the 1826 and 1838 ones) which visit us at times, and become forgotten in the flood intervals, and it seems to be further complicated by the Krakatoa earthquake of August, 1883, on which occasion the pent up subterranean gases which usually form a comparatively harmless vent in ordinary volcanoes became increased, and found it needful to burst up a large area of sea and land in order to find escape.”

Scientists have published more than 350 peer-reviewed studies looking at weather extremes around the world, from heatwaves in Sweden and droughts in South Africa to flooding in Bangladesh and hurricanes in the Caribbean. The result is mounting evidence that human activity is raising the risk of some types of extreme weather, especially those linked to heat.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-climate-change-affects-extreme-weather-around-the-world
https://www.science.org.au/learning/general-audience/science-climate-change/5-how-are-extreme-events-changing

planetcare, I thought you must have evaporated along with the CO2 well I was hoping that was the case

davsgold wrote:planetcare, I thought you must have evaporated along with the CO2 well I was hoping that was the case

Another alarming fact is another severe bleaching event in the great barrier reef during a la nina which has never been recorded before during a la nina which is a cooling event when average ocean temperatures should be lower.
"Earlier today the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) confirmed that the Reef had experienced widespread and severe coral bleaching with the central Reef most impacted by marine heatwaves and temperatures in parts of the Reef up to four degrees above average."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-18/queensland-great-barrier-reef-facing-another-bleaching-event/100917656

planetcare wrote:

davsgold wrote:planetcare, I thought you must have evaporated along with the CO2 well I was hoping that was the case

Another alarming fact is another severe  bleaching event in the great  barrier reef during a  la nina which  has never been recorded before during a la  nina  which is a cooling event when average ocean temperatures  should be lower.
"Earlier today the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) confirmed that the Reef had experienced widespread and severe coral bleaching with the central Reef most impacted by marine heatwaves and temperatures in parts of the Reef up to four degrees above average."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-18/queensland-great-barrier-reef-facing-another-bleaching-event/100917656

The ABC tells too many lies PC.
What else you got?

butch wrote:

planetcare wrote:

davsgold wrote:planetcare, I thought you must have evaporated along with the CO2 well I was hoping that was the case

Another alarming fact is another severe  bleaching event in the great  barrier reef during a  la nina which  has never been recorded before during a la  nina  which is a cooling event when average ocean temperatures  should be lower.
"Earlier today the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) confirmed that the Reef had experienced widespread and severe coral bleaching with the central Reef most impacted by marine heatwaves and temperatures in parts of the Reef up to four degrees above average."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-18/queensland-great-barrier-reef-facing-another-bleaching-event/100917656

The ABC tells too many lies PC.
What else you got?

Reef health
"Bleaching has been detected across the Marine Park — it is widespread but variable, across multiple regions, ranging in impact from minor to severe.
Most observations of bleaching have been of paling or fluorescing but several locations have whole colonies bleached white.
This is consistent with the patterns of heat stress experienced on the Reef this summer. The most heavily impacted reefs are around the Townsville region. There have also been reports of early mortality where heat stress has been the greatest.Corals across the Marine Park remain vulnerable to the ongoing elevated temperatures."
https://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/the-reef/reef-health
https://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/analyses_guidance/pacific_cbts_ag_20220302.php

This is political activism PC not science. Please take the time to read some of 'Professor Peter Ridds' work.

Fairly nasty dust storm over Europe the other day.
https://www.spaceweather.com/images2022/18mar22/ifs_aod_fc_animation_20220315_europe.gif

adrian ss wrote:Fairly nasty dust storm over Europe the other day.
https://www.spaceweather.com/images2022/18mar22/ifs_aod_fc_animation_20220315_europe.gif

Yeah, happens from time to time. Same as Australia.

butch wrote:This is political activism PC not science. Please take the time to read some of 'Professor Peter Ridds' work.

Peter Ridds work has been thoroughly  discredited by every other reef scientists including those that have studied the reef for far far longer than Ridd!!

Despite 2021 being a good year for coral health, coral in the Great Barrier Reef has declined over the past decade and is threatened by climate change, contrary to claims by Peter Ridd
DETAILS
Inaccurate: Numerous scientific studies show a decrease, not an increase, in coral growth over the past decade. International scientific organizations are not ignoring the improvement in coral communities, and acknowledge the influence of periods with low disturbance on the ability of damaged reefs to recover.
Misrepresents source: Peter Ridd misuses data from the Australian Institute of Marine Science in a graph showing how coral cover in the Great Barrier Reef has changed over time. Although the data show an improvement in the amount of coral covering the reef in 2021 compared to previous years, coral cover is not at a record high since 1985 for any region of the Great Barrier Reef.
REFERENCES
[1] Annual Summary Report of Coral Reef Condition 2020/2021. (2021). Australian Institute for Marine Science.
[2] De’ath et al. (2012). The 27–year decline of coral cover on the Great Barrier Reef and its causes. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 109(44), 17995-17999.
[3] van Woesik et al. (2015) Keep up or drown: adjustment of western Pacific coral reefs to sea-level rise in the 21st century.Royal Society Open Science.2: 150181.
[4] Anderson et al. (2017) Variation in growth rates of branching corals along Australia’s Great Barrier Reef. Scientific Reports 7, 2920.
[5] Davis et al. (2021) Global coral reef ecosystems exhibit declining calcification and increasing primary productivity. Communications Earth & Environment 2, 105.
[6] Cooper et al. (2008) Declining coral calcification in massive Porites in two nearshore regions of the northern Great Barrier Reef. Global Change Biology.14, 529–538.
[7] Roth et al. (2018). Coral reef degradation affects the potential for reef recovery after disturbance. Marine Environmental Research, 142, 48-58.
[8] Hoegh-Guldberg (2006). Complexities of coral reef recovery. Science, 311(5757), 42-43.
[9] Gilmour et al. (2013). Recovery of an isolated coral reef system following severe disturbance. Science, 340(6128), 69-71.
[10] Eakin et al. (2019) The 2014–2017 global-scale coral bleaching event: insights and impacts. Coral Reefs 38, 539–545.
[11] IPCC Special Report Ocean & Cryosphere section 5.3.4 p 507 and box 5.5 p 539-540
https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/despite-2021-being-a-good-year-for-coral-health-coral-in-the-great-barrier-reef-has-declined-over-the-past-decade-and-is-threatened-by-climate-change-contrary-to-claims-by-peter-ridd/

The only people worried about the Great barrier Reef are those who profit from it.
The current reef is about 6000 years old.. Coral reefs come and go depending on climate and sea temps. 50.000 years ago the sea would have been frozen where the reef is today. Corals like water temps in the range of 26 to 31 deg C. The G.B.R. water temp is about 26 deg C....So it is not global warming killing the reef, it is the water quality and crown of thorns star fish.
Global warming may more than likely help the reef??....It is people and their pollution being dumped into the ocean that is killing the reef.

adrian ss wrote:The only people worried about the Great barrier Reef are those who profit from it.
The current reef is about 6000 years old.. Coral reefs come and go depending on climate and sea temps. 50.000 years ago the sea would have been frozen where the reef is today. Corals like water temps in the range of 26 to 31 deg C. The G.B.R. water temp is about 26 deg C....So it is not global warming killing the reef, it is the water quality and crown of thorns star fish.
Global warming may more than likely help the reef??....It is people and their pollution being dumped into the ocean that is killing the reef.

The GBR corals optimal temp range is 23°–29°Celsius. Over the last 6 years their have been 4 major bleaching events because water temperature have exceeded 31 deg C. This year it looks like it will the 5th major bleaching event and the first one during a la nina. Poor water quality and rising ocean acidity make the reef corals less resilient and far more vulnerable to bleaching.As the frequency of bleaching events increases due to rising ocean temperatures then the bleached corals will not be able to recover.

Ocean water is alkaline. It is not possible to acidify an alkaline. It is also not possible to measure the pH of the oceans, which varies from place to place.

planetcare wrote:

butch wrote:

planetcare wrote:

davsgold wrote:planetcare, I thought you must have evaporated along with the CO2 well I was hoping that was the case

Another alarming fact is another severe  bleaching event in the great  barrier reef during a  la nina which  has never been recorded before during a la  nina  which is a cooling event when average ocean temperatures  should be lower.
"Earlier today the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) confirmed that the Reef had experienced widespread and severe coral bleaching with the central Reef most impacted by marine heatwaves and temperatures in parts of the Reef up to four degrees above average."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-18/queensland-great-barrier-reef-facing-another-bleaching-event/100917656

The ABC tells too many lies PC.
What else you got?

Reef health
"Bleaching has been detected across the Marine Park — it is widespread but variable, across multiple regions, ranging in impact from minor to severe.
Most observations of bleaching have been of paling or fluorescing but several locations have whole colonies bleached white.
This is consistent with the patterns of heat stress experienced on the Reef this summer. The most heavily impacted reefs are around the Townsville region. There have also been reports of early mortality where heat stress has been the greatest.Corals across the Marine Park remain vulnerable to the ongoing elevated temperatures."
https://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/the-reef/reef-health
https://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/analyses_guidance/pacific_cbts_ag_20220302.php

NASA and NOAA are intentionally misleading. They are political organizations whose announcements must first be vetted by a senior political representative of the administration to ensure they fit the agenda.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/massive-temperature-surge-in-arctic-antarctica-stuns-scientists/news-story/66b28bc3e55649b4fc0a0ce4cbb02d62
I'm not sure how reliable this report is?
If it can be debunked it would be great news.


cheers moredeep

moredeep wrote:https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/massive-temperature-surge-in-arctic-antarctica-stuns-scientists/news-story/66b28bc3e55649b4fc0a0ce4cbb02d62
I'm not sure how reliable this report is?
If it can be debunked it would be great news.


cheers    moredeep

Debunked MD, it's an add.. When all the ice melts on Mt Everest you'll know we have a problem.

holy sh#t batman
it was even on a twitter feed
thanks

cheers moredeep

It's very confusing, I just looked at it again and yes the heat wave map appears to be an add, but what about the article??
It's very odd


cheers    moredeep

click on the NBC NEWS link to another article in that story [it won't copy for me ]


cheers    moredeep

Current Ventusky global maps do not reflect those extreme Arctic and Antarctic temps....So who is BSing who??

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=46;75;1&l=temperature-2m

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=-32;62;1&l=temperature-900hpa

mmm,very interesting



cheers moredeep

Just keep you're eye on Mt Everest & get a good nights sleep.

Does it matter who's BS to who Adrian? I'm sure the worlds Climate, together with a rise in temperature will continue to show us all, what the climate intends on doing to environments.
A little more patience is required here, in order to let the current Climate change & temperature, take its so called "natural course" on the environment & with a bit of luck & after surviving through next years devastating floods, fires, tsunamis, earthquakes, cyclones, volcanic eruptions or whatever else is bound to come our way, maybe then we just might start paying a little more attention to the changes in temperature/climate. 
But hey, I'm not worried. I've packed my kayak, thrown in a couple of spuds & a leg of mutton, taped the Hawaii 5-0 music, so that I can play it back for encouragement when tackling that upcoming flood & waves & I'm all ready to go.      

Kon