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Post  planetcare on Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:05 pm

https://www.healthcentral.com/article/long-term-effects-coronavirus

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Post  adrian ss on Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:28 am

The flu also causes all of the effects mentioned in that link. The common cold can cause lung and brain and heart damage. Why do you reckon a lot of people with the cold or the flu cough up blood, get nose bleeds, become breathless.....

Latest covid 19 stats.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post  Nightjar on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:01 am

Let's just hope that there will be a vaccine breakthrough sooner than later.
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Post  adrian ss on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:19 am

every year 600,000+ people world wide die from the flu....That is EVERY YEAR folks, so far we have only had the covid 19 for just one year and 96% of the cases have recovered.

I just read a link that stated that most people recover from the flu in 3 days. I don't know who concocted those figures but clearly they are very very false.
Of the people I know who have had the flu all were in bed for at least a week extremely ill and then took several weeks to almost.. (Almost) fully recover It is difficult to know how much info on the net is accurate; not a lot I suspect.
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Post  planetcare on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:52 am

Experts warn coronavirus may cause 'wave' of neurological conditions including Parkinson's disease
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-23/covid-19-may-cause-parkinsons-disease-research-finds/12688384

A case of probable Parkinson's disease after SARS-CoV-2 infection
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2820%2930305-7/fulltext

COVID-19 and possible links with Parkinson’s disease and parkinsonism: from bench to bedside
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41531-020-00123-0

Neurological Consequences of COVID-19: The “Silent Wave”
https://www.journalofparkinsonsdisease.com/neurological-consequences-covid-19-%E2%80%9Csilent-wave%E2%80%9D

I have not read that flu can cause neurological problems like covid clearly does in some cases.

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Post  Nightjar on Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:06 am

There are a growing number of persons having the 2020 flu jab experiencing joint pain and more.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Had mine back in April and joint pains have increased since then. (This excludes my TKR back in November 2019.)
Flu hit me last Saturday and have finally crawled out of bed but still coughing and spluttering and feeling like Shite.
My partner who had her jab several months ago is now suffering debilitating knee and ankle pains. (A usually fit and well person now hobbling around after sitting for any time.)
Bit of info here regarding the 2020 flu jab.

https://comments.emedicinehealth.com/flu_vaccine/viewer-comments_em-2286.htm

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Post  planetcare on Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:38 am


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Post  adrian ss on Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:19 am

planetcare wrote:Experts warn coronavirus may cause 'wave' of neurological conditions including Parkinson's disease
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-23/covid-19-may-cause-parkinsons-disease-research-finds/12688384

A case of probable Parkinson's disease after SARS-CoV-2 infection
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2820%2930305-7/fulltext

COVID-19 and possible links with Parkinson’s disease and parkinsonism: from bench to bedside
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41531-020-00123-0

Neurological Consequences of COVID-19: The “Silent Wave”
https://www.journalofparkinsonsdisease.com/neurological-consequences-covid-19-%E2%80%9Csilent-wave%E2%80%9D

I have not read that flu  can cause neurological problems like covid clearly does in  some  cases.

The virus(flu or cold or covid etc) settles into living tissue and modifies it to reproduce itself. It is not too fussed about what tissue that is.
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Post  planetcare on Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:46 am


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Post  Kon61gold on Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:50 pm

G'day gents

Discussing the "off topic" current crises we're all experiencing at the moment, is not exactly a bad thing. People should be made aware of what's going on or happening around us, as long as things are discussed in a respectable civil manner & not let get out of hand.
Adrian, you know as well as I do, this is not the common yearly flue going around, for it is far more dangerous than that. 200,000 people have died in America alone, not to mention the overall number of deaths encountered, throughout the rest of the worlds nations.  You are also aware (& I'm not going to start naming) some nations hide the true number of deaths for their own various self interests, of which nations that are doing the right thing by disclosing the truth, will never get a true account of the real number of casualties caused by COVID-19, across the entire world.
The current government is in someway damned if it does, or damned if it don't.
Keeping the spread of COVID-19 down, together with the number of deaths associated with it, has so far been a feat in itself, a feat of which they've successfully achieved & are to be praised for.
  Keeping the economy shut down to the brink of collapse, because of not knowing how to keep an economy running safely, through this COVID-19 era, the government is cursed for.  
Until a preventative cure/measure or vaccine comes out, there is no 100% safe way of getting the economy back to normal without casualties. The best all of us can do is take the utmost care, by following safety protocol, by keeping ones distance, by wearing ones mask, by constantly washing ones hands & even more important, staying home or away from others & getting oneself checked, if they believe they're coming down with any form of symptoms & not treating it lightly.  If all people were to adhere to the laws of health for our own safety as well as the safety of others that we come in close contact with the economy would be functioning well by now.
For now, this is the only way we can associate or work with one another, there is no other way until a safe cure comes to light. The days of a pact tram/train/bus or taxi are gone & gone through fear alone.
As far as conspiracy theory about the reasons behind COVID-19's existence goes, it is absurd to hear of such, for never in the history of man, has King, Queen or government, paid their subjects/ordinary people, to stay home & fatten, till a way out of COVID-19 virus is found & this is what I find most unprecedented.  Shocked  Laughing

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Post  adrian ss on Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:00 pm

It is going to be years before we are back to normal and I do not think that the economy will survive for very much longer.
It is Government actions taken to control this virus that is causing the economic collapse not the virus itself.
Do we allow the world to degenerate into one gigantic third world economy where everybody is out on the streets begging for food and living in make shift shelters or do we accept an increased death rate and let the economy revitalise itself ?? An effective vaccine is doubtful at the moment.
So do we let everything man has achieved fall apart around us.
The virus world wide death rate percentage is 3%, that will remain the same no matter how many people contract this virus but if we let this virus control our living standards then more and more people will get sick and possibly die as the result of a lower standard of living and poor hygiene. We will not be able to maintain electricity, gas and coal and petrol and oil supply, there will be a food shortage and people will be rioting in the streets, the police will loose power and be over run. House break ins and robberies will increase as will bashing's and assaults in and out of the home.

I don't believe any of the above will happen but what the hell! If Greta Hamburger can spread BS all over the net, anybody can.
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Post  Axtyr on Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:11 pm

Well done Adrian, I love it.

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Post  planetcare on Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:29 pm

adrian ss wrote:It is going to be years before we are back to normal and I do not think that the economy will survive for very much longer.
    It is Government actions taken to control this virus that is causing the economic collapse not the virus itself.
   

I don't agree.Unless we can limit the spread of the virus then their can be NO revival of economic activity.Aggressive suppression of the virus is the only option available in the absence of a vaccine. To do otherwise  will lead to a collapse of the  health system and potential huge ongoing health costs for those that have "recovered" but may suffer long term, severe disabilities that in some cases mean they may never be able to return to their former work. If spread of the virus  is not controlled then we will pay a huge cost in mortality/morbidity and that will include not only the old and infirm but younger people as well,The risk of death from  the virus starts to rapidly increase for people over 50.Studies are now showing that COVID-19 is not just dangerous for the elderly and infirm but also for healthy middle-aged adults.
Eg  An English person aged 55–64 years who gets infected with SARS-CoV-2 faces a fatality risk that is more than 200 times higher than the annual risk of dying in a fatal car accident!
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data  recently showing 47% of all COVID-19 hospitalizations were for those aged 20 to 54.

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Post  planetcare on Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:44 pm

Axtyr wrote:Well done Adrian, I love it.

Regards Axtyr.

“People sometimes frame the policy response to COVID-19 as a trade-off between lives and livelihoods, and they ask whether it’s worth killing our economy to save people’s lives. But what they forget is that people won’t go back to a normal life and consumer demand won’t really recover if the virus is spreading through our country and killing people. We need to contain the virus to allow for a real economic recovery as opposed to a temporary sugar high.”
https://news.virginia.edu/content/economist-societal-costs-covid-19-outweigh-individual-costs

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Post  Kon61gold on Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:51 pm

Adrian, when you talk numbers/percentages, talk sense.  It is not the average 3% world wide death rate to COVID-19 that will change, but the number of deaths when 200 million people test positive to COVID-19 (as compared to the 32 million currently testing positive to COVID-19) that will skyrocket.
On a more positive note, only a matter of time now, before a vaccine to this harmful/dangerous virus outbreak, is but one step closer to being produced/introduced. Too much money, research & some of the worlds top medical professions, have gone into finding & producing a cure. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but going by what history tells me, where there's a will there's a way & man will find it.

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Post  moredeep on Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:46 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-20/is-the-government-running-out-of-money/12472078?nw=0
don't panic


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Post  adrian ss on Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:28 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Adrian, when you talk numbers/percentages, talk sense.  It is not the average 3% world wide death rate to COVID-19 that will change, but the number of deaths when 200 million people test positive to COVID-19 (as compared to the 32 million currently testing positive to COVID-19) that will skyrocket.
On a more positive note, only a matter of time now, before a vaccine to this harmful/dangerous virus outbreak, is but one step closer to being produced/introduced. Too much money, research & some of the worlds top medical professions, have gone into finding & producing a cure. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but going by what history tells me, where there's a will there's a way & man will find it.

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That is what I said. The average percentage death rate will remain the same. no matter how many people contract this virus.
By the time that the current strategies have ended so many businesses will have collapsed that recovery to previous standards will be impossible.
Australia has better virus combating methods than most other countries but still our small businesses are folding up in the thousands, our airlines are on the very brink of destruction, imports have dropped dramatically. So even though Australia is fairing better with tough lock down regulations than some countries it is still on the brink of economic collapse
There are those who think that economic collapse resulting from our virus fighting strategies is better than having an increase in deaths if we remove the lock downs. An economic collapse will also result in an increase in deaths by suicide and civil violence
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Post  planetcare on Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:35 pm

adrian ss wrote:
Kon61gold wrote:Adrian, when you talk numbers/percentages, talk sense.  It is not the average 3% world wide death rate to COVID-19 that will change, but the number of deaths when 200 million people test positive to COVID-19 (as compared to the 32 million currently testing positive to COVID-19) that will skyrocket.
On a more positive note, only a matter of time now, before a vaccine to this harmful/dangerous virus outbreak, is but one step closer to being produced/introduced. Too much money, research & some of the worlds top medical professions, have gone into finding & producing a cure. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but going by what history tells me, where there's a will there's a way & man will find it.

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That is what I said. The average percentage death rate will remain the same. no matter how many people contract this virus.
   By the time that the current strategies have ended so many businesses will have collapsed that recovery to previous standards will be impossible.
Australia has better virus combating methods than most other countries but still our small businesses are folding up in the thousands, our airlines are on the very brink of destruction, imports have dropped dramatically. So even though Australia is fairing better with tough lock down regulations than some countries it is still on the brink of economic collapse
    There are those who think that economic collapse resulting from our virus fighting strategies is better than having an increase in deaths if we remove the lock downs. An economic collapse will also result in an increase in deaths by suicide and civil violence

Adrian, how if you were in charge would you manage the covid situation?

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Post  adrian ss on Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:33 am

I would grab a chopper, load her up with my prospecting gear....n some Mars Bars and bugger off into the Out Back gold fields far away from all of this crap and God help anybody who comes within a bulls roar of me. affraid lol! lol! ,
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