Re: COMING IN 2020 Nuggetfinder Z-Search

AraratGold Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:29 am

Borrowed from the Detector Prospector forum :

" We are still looking at our options with regard to the plug. There will be more information released in 2020.

Thank you for your interest.

Regards

Rohan Johnson "

Tells me that unfortunately the chip issue has not been sorted yet.

Cheers, Rick

Jonathan Porter Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:00 am

davsgold wrote:Has anyone had a 100% answer from Nugget Finder about, does there Z search coil require a patch lead to run on the GPZ7000

All very nice to have a picture of a coil and not show the coil cable

cheers dave

It seems to be a closely kept secret on that front, I’d say worst case scenario is they will do as you have done but hopefully with less responsibility left to the purchaser and more control on dongle reliability to avoid blown detectors. Nothing kills a brand more quickly than blown detectors, something I’m sure NF are very hyper sensitive to.

I find it amusing some of the comments made here considering the X coils were dangled for a long time on this forum too, no doubt NF are using the same tactics of gauging market acceptance and any possible push back from the detector manufacturer. I would gag on my coffee is someone tried to go all ethical on us and say the X coils were there first and should be given preferential treatment, I used a prototype NF DOD 3 years ago which was shelved because of the minefield surrounding the chip in cable!!

Seeing more and more competition in the MPS market has probably forced NF and most probably Coiltek to look into progressing into the GPZ market, especially since a precedent has been set with the dongle hacking. At the end of the day a win win for GPZ owners and also established NF dealers if they go ahead.

Just my 2cents

JP

Guest Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:48 am

Jonathan Porter wrote: Nothing kills a brand more quickly than blown detectors, JP

Nothing kills a brand more quickly than continual whiteanting. Evil or Very Mad

Jonathan Porter Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:57 am

davsgold wrote:Nothing kills a brand more quickly than continual whiteanting.

Nothing kills a monopoly and a brand more quickly than a “Grab and Run, here for the short term” mission statement in combination with a continual head in the sand, “Hear no”, “See no”, “Say No” approach to the very obvious real issues. Evil or Very Mad

NF will do what NF will do, at the end of the day consumers will be the winners if an established well known brand starts to offer up options. The key things for NF are to have a good ferrite balance, make sure the coils are in Phase, saturation signal is minimal and that rub and touch sensitivity in General Difficult is on par with the GPZ14 and GPZ19 offerings. Obviously weight should be a factor but I would say that will be par for the course knowing Rohan.

JP

Guest Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:42 pm

Jonathan Porter wrote:
davsgold wrote:Nothing kills a brand more quickly than continual whiteanting.

Nothing kills a monopoly and a brand more quickly than a “Grab and Run, here for the short term” mission statement in combination with a continual head in the sand, “Hear no”, “See no”, “Say No” approach to the very obvious real issues.

NF will do what NF will do, at the end of the day consumers will be the winners if an established well known brand starts to offer up options. The key things for NF are to have a good ferrite balance, make sure the coils are in Phase, saturation signal is minimal and that rub and touch sensitivity in General Difficult is on par with the GPZ14 and GPZ19 offerings. Obviously weight should be a factor but I would say that will be par for the course knowing Rohan.

JP

"Grab and Run" hmmmm, just like you wanted to do, take it all from me and do it all your way, it's time you took a good look in the mirror. How did well know established brands get that way, start small and grow that's how.

X-Coils have blazed the way for the "Established" brands to follow.

The things you mention ferrite balance, in Phase and saturation etc are all well and truly taken care of and you well and truly know this, but you can't help yourself, you just keep bagging and whiteanting because you can't get x-coils to sell in your detector shop like you wanted, an so it's sour grapes over and over.

Like always it has to be your way or noway

You say your are constantly in touch with the Russian manufacture, giving him advice and keeping him in the loop, so bagging the x-coils is effectively bagging yourself if what you say is correct about advising the manufacture about how to better the x-coils.

Where are all the "Blown" detectors you keep bringing up about and accuse me of telling people to lie, that is just a plain insult. you should also know how many GPZ detectors are DOA straight out of the box and not much ever gets said about that.

Kon61gold Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:03 pm

Fellas, lets keep things civil & in perspective here hey? Shocked

Jonathan, NF might be a well established known brand, but lets face it, it took a small time overseas coil manufacturer, to get things rolling.
There is no good or service, that doesn't encounter some form of teething issue/s/problems from the start, but, persistence, perseverance & a lot of trial/error, tends to iron out, any unforeseen issues/flaws over time. I know not of any manufacturing business (& in this case coil company) that hasn't had any issues with what ever they've made and sold to the consumer in the past. Besides & regardless of any early teething problems encountered by the Russian X-Coil manufacturer, together with Dave the distributor of X-Coils, have been more than ironed out & more than honourable in their ways.
This so called monopoly you talk of also applies to Minelab does it not? For if it didn't, they would have had a string of different size/shape coils for the GPZ 7000 user by now. Lets not kid ourselves here, for you know as well as I do, there is no one coil best, at doing it all. Obviously it wasn't profitable enough for Minelab to do so, but the demand for different size/type coils, was there from the start, was it not?
Anyways, it matters not who makes what first, filling in that so called gap of demand, is what its all about & it will always be a "first in, first served" scenario.
Time will tell how good Nugget Finders offering is & I for one can only wish Rohan Johnson of Nugget Finder, success in his endeavours, for we all know competition is a healthy thing & variety, is the spice of life no? V08

Cheers Kon. T25

Jonathan Porter Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:32 pm

davsgold wrote: "Grab and Run" hmmmm, just like you wanted to do, take it all from me and do it all your way, it's time you took a good look in the mirror. How did well know established brands get that way, start small and grow that's how.

X-Coils have blazed the way for the "Established" brands to follow.

The things you mention ferrite balance, in Phase and saturation etc are all well and truly taken care of and you well and truly know this, but you can't help yourself, you just keep bagging and whiteanting because you can't get x-coils to sell in your detector shop like you wanted, an so it's sour grapes over and over.

Like always it has to be your way or noway

You say your are constantly in touch with the Russian manufacture, giving him advice and keeping him in the loop, so bagging the x-coils is effectively bagging yourself if what you say is correct about advising the manufacture about how to better the x-coils.

Where are all the "Blown" detectors you keep bringing up about and accuse me of telling people to lie, that is just a plain insult. you should also know how many GPZ detectors are DOA straight out of the box and not much ever gets said about that.

I reported to Elnur only just yesterday about issues I’m having with a ’New’ coil, touch sensitivity in both High Yield and General Difficult and also Saturation is still an issue. I know for a fact 2 GPZ’s were blown in WA seperate from the US one, I have not said anywhere publicly about any advice being given about lies being told.

I was never interested in stocking the coils once the adapter from Minelab became a non-event because of your refusal to wait till the coils improved and yes I have been asked, also at no stage did I try to take the X coils away from you it was always understood that I obtain each and every coil through you.

Grab and Run, here for the short term” mission statement in combination with a continual head in the sand, “Hear no”, “See no”, “Say No” approach to the very obvious real issues

so read between the lines. The only reason the coils are now half way reasonable is because of my involvement and feedback to Elnur.

The latest X coils are actually pretty good and are a MAJOR improvement over the originals, in quieter less variable soils they will do very well. I’ve strongly suggested Elnur put some sort of physical damping between the bottom coil cover and the windings to try and stop some of the micro vibrations getting through especially in General Difficult. If you don’t believe me go and give it a try in some twiggy dead fall ground, the whole point of a larger coil on the GPZ is to sniff out bigger gold at depth, not being able to use General Difficult in noisy ground is a major performance loss on anything over 8 grams.

I hope Nugget Finder are following this thread because these are all obstacles they will need to clear to have a fully viable product to equal the performance of the standard GPZ coils, as it stands the X coils might have more sensitivity and improved greatly since the originals but they are still falling short electronically.

Lastly the detectors that you use daily all had my involvement in their development, to praise them is to praise me, to use them you also praise me and I thank you for that.

JP

PS moderators I have tried to keep this thread clean, I’m more than happy to debate the subject but things have got very personal.

Guest Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:57 pm

There is just one thing I don't understand, and neither do the customers using the x-coils, and that is how come you are the ONLY one that encounters all these imaginary problems.

The coils run in Diff/Gen and in certain places Gen/normal even, and going back to day one your highly recommended go to setting was diff/hy

I know this is a section for NF coils and same here I don't want to ruin it either. And if NF can bring out an aftermarket coil that is better than anything that is available, including the GPZ14 then I will use it, but until then, the aftermarket coils that are available are out doing the job.

You say "I know for a fact 2 GPZ’s were blown in WA seperate from the US one" so your saying what? that no GPZ's have ever died from any other cause, you can't be serious, and this is an easy blame solution.

Kon61gold Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:04 pm

As always, I appreciate your input JP/Dave, but bickering between one another or disrespecting one another's views/comments, gets us nowhere, nor is it healthy to continue as such, on a world wide gold detecting/prospecting forum.
Could we please all wait & see, what Nugget Finder comes out with for the GPZ 7000 first, before any more innuendo/criticism/disrespecting of one another comes to play.
Enjoy the festive season fellas. santa

koeh Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:59 pm

JP you won’t get anywhere here with the x coil fanboy club,I see why you don’t post much anymore

Kon61gold Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:04 am

X-Coil fan boy club Shocked

Really? and here I were thinking all these years, this forum were a Minelab only club. Shocked

Koeh, no one on here forces anyone to comment on another's post, nor put up a post. We do so because we want to, not have to.
Comments like the ones you posted above, is why people are weary of posting on here anymore. Now please could we not stray from the main topic?
Enjoy your Christmas. santa

Cheers Kon. T25

Rockwall Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:32 am

Kon61gold wrote:X-Coil fan boy club Really? and here I were thinking all these years, this forum were a Minelab only club.
Koeh, no one on here forces anyone to comment on another's post, nor put up a post. We do so because we want to, not have to.
Comments like the ones you posted above, is why people are weary of posting on here anymore. Now please could we not stray from the main topic?
Enjoy your Christmas.

Cheers Kon.

joe82 Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:09 am

now after the bullshist is there any more info (up to date)on these coils?????????

Nightjar Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:30 pm

https://www.nuggetfinder.com.au/

hookey13 Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:16 pm

I am off to W.A in April and need a spare 14" Minelab coil. (just in case) I am holding off to see if the Nuggetfinder Z-Search is released soon.

Hopefully not straying off topic, advice given is I need to take a spare lower stem. Minelab 14" Coils come with lower stem attached, so would this be the same for a new released Nuggetfinder Z-Search? ie lower stem attached to coil?

Kon61gold Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:10 pm

Only Nugget Finder can answer that one hookey, for none of the X-Coil range come supplied with a lower stem. As it stands at the moment, spare lower stems for the GPZ 7000, are sold through Minelab distributors, as a separate accessory. We'll just have to wait & see.

Cheers Kon. T25

joe82 Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:43 pm

Any word on the release date for the new Z coils???

Kon61gold Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:42 pm

https://www.finderskeepersgold.com/product/nuggetfinder-12-z-search-coil-new/?fbclid=IwAR1g1pJldbUZS9XUxeI4ytnu-zmSS7cirXI6y7NIODdllBMSvlzEHbUmEr0

Looks like the official release date is on the 18th December 2020 according to this WA web site, but no official news from Nugget Finders site, nor from Miners Den or Coiltek's.
I think I'll wait for more official news to come from Nugget Finder themselves & or from our local Minelab product dealers here in Vic.
Cheers Kon. T25

Guest Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:51 pm

G’day All,

This was in the latest news letter from “Lucky Strike Gold Prospecting”

COMING IN 2020 Nuggetfinder Z-Search - Page 2 00433e10

Cheers.

Mike.

AnnieL Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:20 am

G’day everyone,
I got to use the 12” NF Z search test coil recently and I’m pretty happy with it. As I understand it the sale price will be about $1,250 and release date of 18 December 2020 (as stated above).

I have put up a few videos on my YouTube channel if you want to look. Unfortunately, I didn’t walk over anything big for the time I had the test coil.

https://youtu.be/uTCWe2RBvwM And https://youtu.be/D6fTr83pwrw

Kon61gold Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:10 pm

Good on you Annie & thanks for sharing your gold adventure with us, on the new (soon to be released NF 12 inch coil) for the GPZ 7000. cheers

BTW, when clicking onto your first link, a "Not Found" comes up.
Have a safe & enjoyable Christmas/New Year. santa

Cheers Kon. Q11

AnnieL Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:48 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Good on you Annie & thanks for sharing your gold adventure with us, on the new (soon to be released NF 12 inch coil) for the GPZ 7000.
BTW, when clicking onto your first link, a "Not Found" comes up.
Have a safe & enjoyable Christmas/New Year.

Cheers Kon.

Thank Kon61. I have replaced old link. First video is more of an introduction to the coil.

Kon61gold Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:28 pm

Another classic example I forgot to mention on here Annie,(& one of which you clearly show us all) is how the orientation of a faint in ground target, plays a key role, of whether it can be better heard when the target is approached from one angle/direction, as compared to when approached from another.
This is why I believe, no past or present gold bearing ground (within reach of a metal detector) will never be found completely devoid of some type/size gold left behind.

Cheers Kon. santa

joe82 Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:30 am

Is there talk of any other size coils for the Z ?

Kon61gold Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:16 pm

There is talk of more than one shape/size on the horizon Joe, but I think Nugget Finder are waiting to see how this new 12 inch round is accepted first, before committing to another.
Anybody's guess as to when though. V19

Cheers Kon santa

joe82 Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:50 pm

Good to hear kon certainly got my ears pricked up

I like the idea of not cutting anything

Guest Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:39 pm

AnnieL wrote:G’day everyone,
I got to use the 12” NF Z search test coil recently and I’m pretty happy with it. As I understand it the sale price will be about $1,250 and release date of 18 December 2020 (as stated above).

.... and for those curious how much those of us in America are paying for them, I just purchased one through Chris at Arizona Outback and my price was $1,100.00 USD, so for once, you all down under are getting the better end of the deal on pricing. Very Happy

Jen

Kon61gold Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:06 pm

None the less Jen, when gold on crown land is becoming harder to find with each passing year & small to mid sized coils are currently surpassing the $1000 Aus (not alone what the same item costs for you guys up there in the US) certainly don't bring much comfort, to your average hobby detectorist out there.

Cheers Kon. T25

Guest Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:25 am

Kon61gold wrote:None the less Jen, when gold on crown land is becoming harder to find with each passing year & small to mid sized coils are currently surpassing the $1000 Aus (not alone what the same item costs for you guys up there in the US) certainly don't bring much comfort, to your average hobby detectorist out there.

Cheers Kon.

It's definitely separating the hobby people from the dedicated (more than a hobby) people that's for sure, I think that started back with the $10,000.00 price tag on the Zed initially. That being said, I've seen some pretty impressive results with the GM1000 so there's still an avenue into this hobby for the more hobby, budget "buy and try before investing big type" person and allows them a good opportunity to find some good color.

My Z is actually a backup to my preferred detector, a 5k and all I use on it are Evo's, in fact when they were pre-release I had the good fortune of meeting Rohan in Bendi and taking one of their Evo's up to Tibb for a week to test. I've been a NF fan for years... in fact I even own the domain www.nuggetfinder.ca because when I was living in Canada I was talking to Rohan about becoming the Canadian dealer for them. Great products, when I saw that they were introducing one for the Z, there was no question... I wasn't going to hack a connector etc, even having been an amateur radio operator since 1986, when it comes to my Z, it's not a toy, it's a tool and I waited. I'm super excited to see all the reports on your success with them (the new Z Search coil) down there. So far I'm the only owner of one in Arizona (where I live), Cali and Nevada according to the dealer so I best get myself out there before they all do eh? Very Happy

Kon61gold Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:37 pm

Word is out that a couple of hundred NF Z-Search-Coils, were handed out to the first purchasers back on the 17/18th of December 2020 before running out, but its been over a month now & hardly a word from anyone on how the new Z-search coil compares to the standard 14X13.
Less the few videos of actual gold finds on youtube with the new NF Z-Search coil, I can't seem to find any side by side field test reports. Surely there must be someone out there who has compared the two & can give us a run down? V19

Cheers Kon. T25