Trespassers should be........

granite2 wrote:Ichi-ban you continue to cover the same ground so often its a wonder you don't get giddy. And if you think its so tough to make a living then do something else. If the laws there are so wrong then you lot arn't doing enough to change them.

Oh trust me Jim, it ain't tough being out there 8 months a year, using the best metal detectors known to man - a bulldozer and a GP4500/5000. It's a bloody dream come true after 30 years of walking miles for scraps. Digging out about an ounce a day on an average patch - priceless - and for everything else, "There's Mastercard!!". Jim, I get a hard on just thinking about it.


The PMAV have made so many representations to the Vic government it is amazing. They have also had many laws changed and amended to allow prospecting where it had either been previously banned or was in dire danger of it being banned.

Well done to the PMAV - I congratulate their efforts 100%. Are you a member Jim? No!! - I thought so,,,,,,,,,,,,

Rita Bentley and her husband deserves a medal for all the work they have done. As a result Victoria is the best place to go prospecting legally in Australia.

What does it say on the plethora of Victorian rego plates that we see over here every winter,"Victoria, the place to be"??. So WTF don't you stay there if legal prospecting is so schmit hot

You don't even have to get permission to go on an EL.

Really? Well you bloody well do here in WA. So get used to it sunbeam 'cos it ain't gonna change in your lifetime.

The only problem is, its a small state with a helluva lot of prospetors and the gold is getting very thin on the ground compared to the huge state of WA.

So welcome to WA Jim. Fill yer boots. But respect our laws and our ways.

Like a government, you get what you deserve and if you don't change the laws, or the government then you deserve what you get.

Tell Queenslanders, NSW and NTs that. We're all OK over here in The Wild West. It's our gold so we make the rules. Remember the "Golden Rule" Jim - "He that has the gold makes the rules"

You have never taken any notice of what I have said except to roar back into the attack as to why I am doing the wrong thing and you are doing the right thing.

Put simply Jim. I respect the law and you don't. I do the right thing and you don't. I can't change the law on my own so I make the best of the law I have. You don't, you just break it. WTF should I take any notice of someone that's takes no notice of us and shows no respect for us here in WA.

Recreational prospectors don't dig deep holes with a dozer or scrape huge areas of dirt but you blokes with your toy dozers and high and mighty ideas about how you have the right to do this are the blokes who are doing the wrong thing.

Not according the mining and environmental laws here in WA, we don't Jim. We get the leases, the permits, the clearances and after 9 months of waiting for all that to be done - we dig it up. You people that simply sashay in to WA, wander as you see fit, don't give tinker's damn about us and remove gold from other people's leases do the wrong thing.

And don't say you blokes don't I have seen it myself many times where a leaseholder gets wind of a patch nearby and sneeks his tractor out and rapes the patch before slinking back to his lease. When - and if- someone comes asking about the illegal scraping everyone looks innocent and says "Ooooh how awful, but it wasn't me".

Find out who did it, Jim, take photos, take the evidence to the police. I can't fix that problem only you and the WA Police can do that.

Illegal scrapings and dozing isn't done by recreational prospectors its done most often by LEGAL leaseholders who have the audacity to blame it mostly on Eastern staters.

Two wrongs don't make a right Jim. I don't push illegally and not many do these days, The fines are too big and there's too many "eyes" out there. But if you want to try it - be my guest. It can't be that hard Jim, 'cos you reckon nearly everyone's doing it. Should be easy for you. You seem to very adept at doing illegal stuff. Spend $120,000.00 on an excavator, Jim, and by crikey "Give it heaps". I'll even bring the beer and watch your face when you see some "blow in" from the caravan park has taken half your gold and now you can't repay the bank for the loan on your new excavator!!

I think just about all that can be discussed in a sensible manner has been discussed and I see nothing to gain by continuing. You can go on doing the RIGHT thing while I go on doing what I do.

"doing what you do"?? You mean illegal detecting?

As for your accusation of me stealing gold - I have never knowingly stole gold anywhere in any state in Australia, and I have prospected in them all.

Jim!! You've admited on here, also in other forums and in Leonora Caravan Park that you subscribe to the theory that if a leaseholder is not on his lease then it's open season for detecting by anybody. You've been heard saying it in public places. You've even inferred on here that you don't believe in all this "Get Permission" nonsense. Jim, you are fully cognisant of the fact that just about 99% of WA is under lease for mining tenements. So if you didn't get permission to prospect, and it sounds as if you don't bother with THAT miner (sic) detail, then you took the gold knowing you were doing so illegally. So essentially Jim, you've stolen gold in at least Western Australia and I suspect, every other Australian State as well.

I congratulate you Jim, on making me even more hostile to recreational prospectors than ever I was before. I'm sure my mates that are watching this thread closely will be feeling the same way. I know one of 'em is because we were talking about you just yesterday.

And next time you write a story in GGT about finding a 40 ounce patch at the Specking Patch with pictures of "Tit Hill", along with pictures of where you were camped and your washing line strung between trees, make sure it's true. Because you've just denied it was true on this very thread. Otherwise, we'll have to assume that everything that's printed in GGT is just bullshit and the publishers wouldn't be happy with that would they!!.

Have a great time on next years trip to Victoria,

Cheers, Jim

Adrian ss wrote:A recreational prospector to me is a person who occasionally goes out prospecting either detecting or otherwise at random times for relaxation and pleasure outside of his normal activities. he is a person likely to buy a metal detector spontainiously and may never have used one previously, he might not have ever even seen a bit of gold but may be on a trip from somwhere to anywhere and finds himself in an old goldfield one day and suddenly decides to give gold detecting a try just for fun, maybe just for a day or two.
Then later discovers that he cannot even move a rock legally without becoming a criminal unless he has a permit or license or has carried out a bazillion hours of research and litterally begged somebody to let him turn his detector on and wave it over a bit of dirt that turns out to be microsmidgen size patch on a gigantic lease that hasn't seen a human being in 20 years.........Until he steps out of his car and turns his tector on and BANG! GUZUMP! out of absolutly nowhere , the lease holder appears like an apparition out of the dust.

I am dramatising this a bit so as not to sound too serious

Adrian ss wrote:Mate I have been prospecting, Fosicking, Mining, Metal Detecting for more years than you have had heart beats. I have forgotten more about gold prospecting in the last five minutes than what you have known in your entire life to date. So get off your high and mighty self righteous horse and stop trying to tell people they shouldn't be gold detecting just because they disagree with some of the regulations; Just because the regs stand as they are does not make every one of them right.
Jeeze Laweeze!

paulf wrote:Ha, always a laugh here. Actually this thread could be renamed after that movie, 'GRUMPY OLD MEN'.
Paul