What Is The Purpose Of A Forum or Debate?

[adrian ss]

A forum is a place  where people can pose questions, ideas or thoughts. It's a way of starting a conversation, about something, that you hope other people will engage with and respond to.

The aim of a debate is to convince an opposing opinion that you are right. When the two sides agree on the subject or when one side's arguments are more convincing than the other side, that is when the debate comes to a close.

The Off Topic section of this forum was set up by Management for the benefit of those forum members who like to occasionally discuss other than gold prospecting topics.....Breaks the boredom when things get a bit quiet.

Kon has given us a reasonable amount of free rein with the Off Topic section (much appreciated mate.) and occasionally a thread may drift of track a tad....But heck! That's half the fun!!                    

[Kon61gold]

The purpose of any forum, is for its members to participate/contribute some of their hard earned knowledge, in a civilised positive manner, in the hope others on here can gain some useful information, in order to help them out.
All or any post put up on any forum, is open for discussion & or debate, as long as its done in a civilised, respectable manner, but when a discussion/debate quickly turns to sour criticism of another, through a disrespectful manner, is when management is left with no choice but try to bring things back into perspective.
Now I know management will always try to do their best in order to settle things down when things get out of hand, but there's only so much one can do before laying down the gauntlet.
Respect for one another is what this forum or any forum for that matter should stand for, so why not show a little of it with one another, so that we can all get along.
Every member has something to offer, something to contribute, but the fear of seeing argument after argument (& to what purpose or avail apart from aggravation) stops many a member from contributing.
Life is a constant learning curve, we're all here to learn from one another, so lets do so in a peaceful, respectful, civilised manner & you'll find life (as short as it is) ain't so bad after all.

Kon

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[Nightjar]

A 100% rebate on there broadcasting tax back dated to Feb 2020,  to bad the rest of us don't get a tax rebate for having to listen to the BS

Dave, Dave, Dave,
You don't HAVE to listen to, read or view the bs.
Take up reading a prospecting book or spend more time in your shed and you'll be smiling again in no time.

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[planetcare]

A 100% rebate on there broadcasting tax back dated to Feb 2020,  to bad the rest of us don't get a tax rebate for having to listen to the BS

Dave, Dave, Dave,
You don't HAVE to listen to, read or view the bs.
Take up reading a prospecting book or spend more time in your shed and you'll be smiling again in no time.

Yes Peter, I am doing all that, and smiling as well, but hey when the government is telling us what there doing openly and not to many are paying attention, what can I say.

Do you really think the covid variants are not made up like magic every time they want something to happen, extra extension of emergency power etc, now is it just a coincidence that scomo opens the Australian borders for travel and like magic they find Omnicom = anagram for Moronic and the true believers bow down.

A giant con job of epic proportions.  

No omicron is not a con job! Viral mutations like those arising in covid come about in response to  evolutionary pressures and  also that the fidelity of  viral replication in a host  is not 100% accurate.
These   host viral replication errors  lead to mutations and the more the virus replicates the higher the probability of  mutations arising.We will see more new covid variants over time and the one that is most infectious is likely to become the dominant variant.

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[planetcare]

you left the last bit off my post in your "Quote" for what reason??? you have no answer???????

I was told to get an exemption certificate from having the jab you need to have the 1st jab and have a bad reaction then you can get an exemption certificate, religious reasons don't count but it seems they do for the premier of NSW

"So our NSW premier won't have the jab for religious reasons and is exempt, but won't allow anyone else that same reason."

I have no idea if the premier is exempted from vaccination for religious reasons.
Can you provide a source for this info?

[Kon61gold]

Let me add my bit here gents

If the NSW Premier is exempted from vaccination for religious reasons, well, I hope he understands that if he cops a good case of covid-19 & ends up fighting for his life, he's going to need more than prayers to save him.
One things for certain, as a Premier & leader of a state, what is the purpose of laying down rules when he/she themselves are not prepared to follow them. People follow leaders through example, not avoidance.

Kon

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[planetcare]

well if you believe the governments own numbers are correct and they have not been calling a lot of the numbers covid which are actually the flu.
You make it sound like everyone that in not jabbed will catch it, when in fact it is the jabbed now that are catching and spreading it, and even if you believe that they will become less ill when they do that's fine, but why are the jabbed so scared as to not want to be near an unjabbed
Then it is less than 1% of the population that caught it and less than 1% of those died, so it makes it look like it would be a low risk to catch it if your reasonably careful, but like the normal flu if you hang about with someone that has it your reasonably likely to catch it

Well if you believe the governments own numbers are correct and they have not been calling a lot of the numbers covid which are actually the flu.
No  this is incorrect.Case numbers are based on the PCR test which is specific for ONLY covid.  In fact during the lockdowns and other measures the flu deaths were the lowest for many years.
You make it sound like everyone that in not jabbed will catch it, when in fact it is the jabbed now that are catching and spreading it, and even if you believe that they will become less ill when they do that's fine, but why are the jabbed so scared as to not want to be near an unjabbed
Because the unjabbed are generally more infectious  due to having a higher  viral load
Yes their are breakthrough cases of covid because the vaccines  are not  100% efficacious.But breakthrough cases are also  occurring people who have previously had covid.  
Then it is less than 1% of the population that caught it and less than 1% of those died, so it makes it look like it would be a low risk to catch it if your reasonably careful, but like the normal flu if you hang about with someone that has it your reasonably likely to catch it
Yes its low risk  but if you have many, many more cases then the death toll will be higher and hospitalizations will increase  (particularly  amongst the   unvaccinated!)to the point where hospitals run out of beds  and the health system and staff are overwhelmed.

[planetcare]

Let me add my bit here gents

If the NSW Premier is exempted from vaccination for religious reasons, well, I hope he understands that if he cops a good case of covid-19 & ends up fighting for his life, he's going to need more than prayers to save him.
One things for certain, as a Premier & leader of a state, what is the purpose of laying down rules when he/she themselves are not prepared to follow them. People follow leaders through example, not avoidance.

Kon

If the info is true then i agree with you. But i still want to see the original source of the info.

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[Kon61gold]

From all that I've read, seen & listening to so far, news from around the world, all the worlds hospitals where masses of people were infected with covid-19, were at 100%+ capacity struggling to cope. There wasn't a hospital not overwhelmed with covid patients. There were not a hospital/doctor or nurse that we're not overworked/overstressed by the flooding of covid patients.
Both NSW & Vic Hospitals during the last lockdown, were already said by the hospital staff themselves, to be running at capacity, even with the low 1000 so or less covid number of in-patients they had.
The many number of free beds available for covid patients were not the issue here, but the lack of availability of nurses/doctors to properly care for them all.
NSW is a fine example where Premier  Berejiklian took the decision to delay taking stringent action/precaution to the last covid outbreak & within a couple of weeks, look what it cost NSW in covid cases/hospitalisations, morbidity rates as well as deaths, followed by Victoria.
If the NSW government happened to sit back a little longer & take the approach of lets see what happens in a few more weeks time before acting strictly, numbers in hospitals would have been overflowing with covid cases as well as an increase in death rates.
You'd hear of countries around the world (one such that of Italy) where doctors would have to chose who lives or dies because of the huge influx of covid patients, lack of emergency equipment/safety attire & the governments lay back attitude way of "lets just see" what happens. Something similar here in Australia would have been just as horrible a predicament to be witnessing, in order to prove a more substantial point.
This is why I say to anyone, look not, judge not by the low number of covid case deaths here in Aus, because if it were not for intervention from government action, laying down stringent health/safety precautions to follow, together with these so called unfortunate lockdowns & now readily available vaccines to combat covid, we'd be reading a whole new story today on or about covid-19 cases.
One last thing I wish to add (& it has been stated by the medical profession on more than one occasion) is that this new Sar's type virus, is nothing like the common flue, where a few cups of tea, tablets of Aspirin/Panadol, or the use of some form of antibiotics, gets one through. This  ever changing mutating type virus, has the potential to torment long term, as in leaving behind long term covid scaring health issues on individual organ parts, as well as kill at a much faster rate than the common flue could ever do, if we were to take no form of precaution & allow it to run rampant. All of which I care not to find out on myself, in order to prove a point to someone else.

Kon

[planetcare]

"No  this is incorrect.Case numbers are based on the PCR test which is specific for ONLY covid.  In fact during the lockdowns and other measures the flu deaths were the lowest for many years."

Yes that is what should happen, but the manufacture of the PCR test has said they are not being used correctly and they should be used at 24 cycles to the labs are using anything upto 42 cycles and they then find the flu and cold virus and because there are also a corona type virus they are being labelled as covid-19, this is according toe the manufacture of the PCR test kits.

Again this is not correct as the upstream and downstream primers are specific only for the covid 19.If you do not have covid or are not recovering from it then you cannot get a positive PCR test regardless of what Ct you run too. At a high Ct positive (over 35) you would probably not be considered covid positive.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/coronacheck-pcr-tests-ct-cycles-misinformation/13237684
https://factcheckni.org/articles/can-you-generate-a-positive-result-for-covid-19-from-an-rt-pcr-test/
https://virologydownunder.com/the-false-positive-pcr-problem-is-not-a-problem/

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[planetcare]

Fantastic news
Mining giant BHP’s attempt to require all staff at a massive coal mine in the NSW Hunter Valley to be vaccinated against COVID-19 has been rejected by the national industrial tribunal in a blow to all private sector jab mandates.
The Fair Work Commission found BHP had failed to properly comply with its consultation obligations and therefore could not show that its mandate was reasonable.
BHP’s coronavirus vaccine mandate rejected by Fair Work Commission https://bit.ly/3Ih10dh

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bhp-s-coronavirus-vaccine-mandate-rejected-by-fair-work-commission-20211203-p59eoz.html?fbclid=IwAR2c2TrS9nJqFf8V2iu69txLkgG5as8phV4GXLPQoZyJg8FCRL7DkRYbh34

This only applies to this specific case. In other cases the FWC has rejected claims by employees against the mandates.