My Comment to a Locked Thread

[PeterInSa]

Hi Butch, I am not a Greenie, Leftiie, but sometimes watch ABC and SBS, But I believe we are on a warming cycle, maybe for the last million years.

If going to WA prospecting, when you turn off the Port Augusta to Whyalla road to go west about 2Km in you can pick up Fossils of sea shells etc indicating that the area was under water in the past, I believe the water reached the Flinders ranges, so its happening again and probably a bit quicker because of the C02 etc in the air. An Oz reductions will do bugga all in the scheme of things other than exporting jobs to China.

( Why my grandkids in private schools are learning Indo... instead of mandarin when China will be pulling the global strings in 10 years time. Their sinking capital in Indo..., no waste water system and and is beyond me)

[planetcare]

Hi Butch, I am not a Greenie, Leftiie, but sometimes watch ABC and SBS, But I believe we are on a warming cycle, maybe for the last million years.

The warming cycle we are in is happening faster than at any time in the last 800,000 years due to rising atmospheric C02 levels and the greenhouse effect( which contrary to what one poster here has  falsely claimed is supported by a huge body of evidence and the physical science). Man has added over 100ppm of C02 to the atmosphere since the industrial revolution.The ice core record tell us that 100ppm C02 was the difference between ice ages (180ppm C02) and  a warm temperate earth (approx 300ppm C02)!

[Reg Wilson]

Climate change is just that. Change. Those rabbitting on about ice in Texas are forgetting about the other extremes of weather such as the unprecedented increase in forest fires world wide at the other end of the seasons. Retreating Glaciers world wide are not slowed by occasional cold weather anomalies, nor the continued seasonal depletion of sea ice.

[planetcare]

Retreating Glaciers world wide are not slowed by occasional cold weather anomalies, nor the continued seasonal depletion of sea ice.

Review article: Earth's ice imbalance
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/15/233/2021/

Abstract
We combine satellite observations and numerical models to show that Earth lost 28 trillion tonnes of ice between 1994 and 2017. Arctic sea ice (7.6 trillion tonnes), Antarctic ice shelves (6.5 trillion tonnes), mountain glaciers (6.1 trillion tonnes), the Greenland ice sheet (3.8 trillion tonnes), the Antarctic ice sheet (2.5 trillion tonnes), and Southern Ocean sea ice (0.9 trillion tonnes) have all decreased in mass. Just over half (58 %) of the ice loss was from the Northern Hemisphere, and the remainder (42 %) was from the Southern Hemisphere. The rate of ice loss has risen by 57 % since the 1990s – from 0.8 to 1.2 trillion tonnes per year – owing to increased losses from mountain glaciers, Antarctica, Greenland and from Antarctic ice shelves. During the same period, the loss of grounded ice from the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets and mountain glaciers raised the global sea level by 34.6 ± 3.1 mm. The majority of all ice losses were driven by atmospheric melting (68 % from Arctic sea ice, mountain glaciers ice shelf calving and ice sheet surface mass balance), with the remaining losses (32 % from ice sheet discharge and ice shelf thinning) being driven by oceanic melting. Altogether, these elements of the cryosphere have taken up 3.2 % of the global energy imbalance.

Conclusions
The overall rate of ice loss has increased by 57 % over the past 24 years compared to the 1990s, and in situ measurements of changes in glacier mass (Zemp et al., 2019a) and satellite records of ice shelf extent (Cook and Vaughan, 2010) which predate the complete survey confirm this trend. Although a small fraction of mountain glacier losses are associated with retreat since the little ice age (Marzeion et al., 2014), there can be little doubt that the vast majority of Earth's ice loss is a direct consequence of climate warming.

[planetcare]

Retreating Glaciers world wide are not slowed by occasional cold weather anomalies, nor the continued seasonal depletion of sea ice.

Since 1960, glaciers have lost more than 9,000 gigatonnes of ice worldwide — the equivalent of a 20-metre-thick layer with the area of Spain. This melting alone — as distinct from that of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets — has raised global sea level by almost 3 centimetres, contributing 25–30% of the total rise (M. Zemp et al. Nature 568, 382–386; 2019).

[Guest]

Retreating Glaciers world wide are not slowed by occasional cold weather anomalies, nor the continued seasonal depletion of sea ice.

Since 1960, glaciers have lost more than 9,000 gigatonnes of ice worldwide — the equivalent of a 20-metre-thick layer with the area of Spain. This melting alone — as distinct from that of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets — has raised global sea level by almost 3 centimetres, contributing 25–30% of the total rise (M. Zemp et al. Nature 568, 382–386; 2019).

The continents are moving, it's not possible to measure the global sea level within millimeters because there is no valid reference point.

Learn some science.... You can lead a horse to water.

[Guest]

Hi Butch, I am not a Greenie, Leftiie, but sometimes watch ABC and SBS, But I believe we are on a warming cycle, maybe for the last million years.

If going to WA prospecting, when you turn off the Port Augusta to Whyalla road to go west about 2Km in you can pick up Fossils of sea shells etc indicating that the area was under water in the past, I believe the water reached the Flinders ranges, so its happening again and probably a bit quicker because of the C02 etc in the air. An Oz reductions will do bugga all in the scheme of things other than exporting jobs to China.

( Why my grandkids in private schools are learning Indo... instead of mandarin when China will be pulling the global strings in 10 years time. Their sinking capital in Indo..., no waste water system and and is beyond me)

I don't care about your politics Pete, everyone deserves a voice. There was no abuse or anything untoward happening on the topic that was locked. My feeling is that the topic was shut down because Kon disagreed with the content, like twitter and Trump. That's disappointing.

[planetcare]

Retreating Glaciers world wide are not slowed by occasional cold weather anomalies, nor the continued seasonal depletion of sea ice.

Since 1960, glaciers have lost more than 9,000 gigatonnes of ice worldwide — the equivalent of a 20-metre-thick layer with the area of Spain. This melting alone — as distinct from that of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets — has raised global sea level by almost 3 centimetres, contributing 25–30% of the total rise (M. Zemp et al. Nature 568, 382–386; 2019).

The continents are moving, it's not possible to measure the global sea level within millimeters because there is no valid reference point.

Learn some science.... You can lead a horse to water.

Wrong again! Satellite laser altimetry   and tide gauges confirm that sea level is rising. The oceans are also warming and the thermal expansion of the oceans is responsible for about  30% of the rise in sea  level.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/147435/taking-a-measure-of-sea-level-rise-ocean-altimetry
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/satellites-ocean.html

[planetcare]

Taking a Measure of Sea Level Rise: Land Motion
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/147436/taking-a-measure-of-sea-level-rise-land-motion
https://www.sonel.org/-Sea-level-trends-.html?lang=en

[Guest]

[planetcare]

even when the so called "experts" claim there right there wrong, just look at when they cried "Peak Oil" and we were about to run out, well wrong and before you knew it the world was awash with oil, and then the plandemic and oil was near worthless there for awhile.

What makes the experts right this time and why should we believe them, Greenland was not called that for nothing and will be Green once again for awhile.

The experts are basing their views on an enormous amount of evidence from a multitude of  diverse sources.

[planetcare]

The scientific method and climate change: How scientists know
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2743/the-scientific-method-and-climate-change-how-scientists-know/

[Kon61gold]

Gentlemen, I lock threads such as these of climate change not because they are irrelevant, but for the simple reason they are "OFF TOPIC", they quickly get out of hand (by way of disrespect for one another) & have neither a beginning nor end.
It is important to note that I allow off topic discussion to take place on this forum, but not to the point it takes over from what this forum is meant to be, or stand for. So when I ask of members to keep off topic discussion short & sweet, do so, or it will force my hand to lock the subject of controversy down. Now gents, you can either respect the wishes of management, or continue to see controversial threads like on climate change, being locked down.
There are many members on here who have just about had a gut full of  off topic discussion, subjects that have nothing to do with Gold Detecting or Prospecting for Gold. So for the sake of everyone's sanity, keep "Off Topic" discussion short & sweet, or I might just have to lock up threads before they even start.
Butch, Kon did not disagree with what were being discussed, but Kon doesn't take kindly to when one member gets to the point of wanting to crucify the other, because they happen to strongly disagree with the others views/write up.
Ask yourselves this, how many other forums allow off topic discussion to proceed to the levels I have allowed on this forum & you'll find very few are the ones (if any) so that takes care of twitter or Trump, but if this type of off topic controversy/rhetoric continues, then you will leave me no choice but to turn Draconian.

Cheers gents Kon.

[Minermike]

Planetcare should be blocked he has a very one sided view of every thing . I will not read any posts that he has put up .

[Minermike]

I also have had a gut full of off topic posts . I admit I have put them up but they should be only there for a short time before being deleted . This is or superposed to be gold forum , talking about GOLD .

[planetcare]

Planetcare   should   be  blocked    he has a very one sided     view  of every thing  .  I will not read any posts  that he has put up .

My views are based on the very best consensus scientific evidence. I welcome alternative views provided they are based on credible scientific evidence.I am yet to see this from anyone here.

[Minermike]

This is a gold and protecting forum , Please tell us some of your gold finds or go away.l

[planetcare]

I also  have had a gut full of off  topic  posts .  I admit I have put them  up   but they should be only there  for  a short time before being  deleted  .  This is  or superposed   to be  gold forum , talking about  GOLD .

That's fair enough but then  should all the other off topic, non gold related  posts over the 20 pages of this board be deleted as well?

[Minermike]

Too much hard work for Planetcare to go and find some gold . In an air con office doing nothing ....