staked tyres

Just reading some old threads and noticed numerous mentions of staked and punctured tyres.

Most are probably aware of this stuff but for those that aren't there is a product called "Liquid Patch".
It's a green fluid that you put into your tyres via the air valve that prevents the tyre going flat in the event of a puncture. Obviously wont work if you destroy the side wall.

Recently I staked a quad tyre out bush, pulled out a stick as round as a pencil. I rode that thing around for a further 3 weeks before I got around to plugging it.
I run it in both my quads and both my utes and swear by the stuff!

Thanks Steve. We forget that there are a number of items we should take as spares ie Radiator hoses, fuses etc, looks like this should be included.

It is much more convenient for example if you blow a radiator hose and you have one with you rather than trying various service stations for one, the same goes for tyres particularly if you are in the bush.

Jeff

good idea to have tubes in tyres and carry some rubberized clothsquares which can be put under hole Iused to buy old tyres from wreckers and put patches under stake holes when out in tanami rather than destroy good tyres.,regards,
mark

There is one drawback using the "Green Slime" it is highly corrosive and destroys your rims if used for extended periods.

Peter

Thanks for that Peter I had no idea and when I first looked into using it I was assured it wasn't, but they'll tell you anything to get a sale.

I know the Finilec aerosol stuff will eventually destroy your tyres from the inside out, hence why I enquired about any damage from the green stuff.

There must be something you could paint the inside of your rims with to protect from corrosion? I wouldn't even like to ask the cost of a new alloy wheel for my car!

I am NOT a believer in wide rims / tyres if you are a true off roader. Oh sure they look nice, but in true off road conditions they are expensively impractical.
A friend and I both had Landcruisers in WA. His had wide rims, mine were standard splits.
He always got staked or broke axles. I never got staked nor broke an axle.
Saltbush and gibbers are unforgiving when it comes to wide rims but the standard rims just brush it by.
Axles are designed for a certain amount of 'wind up' and whereas a standard rim and tyre may skid, at least you wont break an axle getting out of a creek or gully as the wider rim may cause more stress / windup on the axle.
Most of the mines in central Queensland would only use standard rims as they had less incidents.

My opinion based on my experience as an owner and A Grade mechanic.

P

Gday

Any type of tyre can get staked, I have had splits and standard tyres on my troopy and have found them noisy on the road and really heavy, particlarly when you have to lift the second spare up on to a roof rack.

As they were worn out I replaced them with white rims and Toyo open country AT's, I have a had a pretty good run with them but have staked about 4 of them now, one each on the last two trips, I have always run them pretty hard pressure wise, thinking this will make them harder for a stake to penetrate, but after watching an off road driver dvd where they had a segment where they did a demo on hard versus soft tyres.

Basically what they recommend is that a low tyre pressure should be used for country where there is a lot of vegetation, sticks and rocks etc, when you see the demo and hear the reasons it makes a lot of sense, a tyre running at a low pressure will conform itself to the shape of the object you run over, contorting and wrapping around it, this way any sharp protrusion of the object is less likely to go through the tyre but will either slip away from the tyre or due to the conforming of the tyre not have enough pressure on it to penetrate it.

Using the tyres at higher pressures means that the object has nowhere to go except through the tyre, and they reason that this is the main thing that will cause it to be staked, the example they use are two balloons, one with high pressure and one with low pressure, the hard balloon when pressed up against a sharp object will of course burst, the soft balloon will just wrap itself around the object and stay intact.

Of course one of the main problems we have is that we use the vehicles both on the road and off the road so a really low pressure would not be suitable for driving at highway speed so it will be the same scenario you go through for beach driving with deflating and inflating the tyres to suit.

Recently I have been also looking into some of the latest types of tyre that are about for use on split rims, these are the Boto tyres, they come in 11 and 14 ply and have a really straight sidewall, these are a tubed tyre I think, I saw them on an old blokes troopy and he reckoned that he just drives about in the bush with them and never gets any flats at all.

Anybody got any experience with these tyres?

cheers

stayyerAU

Hi, Stayer, re the Boto tyres. We used them on our vehicles at the mine, 14 ply. they were fantastic tyres, could handle the scrub as well as the shale. by the way how's the postie bike going? and have you tried that old 17000 out yet? Scooter.

Gday Scooter

Where have you been hiding?, I am quite interested in the Boto tyres, as like I said I have managed to get a staked tyre on the last two trips and I am careful about where I go, I am thinking that a tyre with a good straight sidewall would be a lot better.

I still have the postie bike and have done quite a few changes to it, new tyre/tubes, sprockets, chain, seat cover, removed a lot of bits and pieces etc, you would be impressed, my other one was registered and I didnt ride it on the road so I sold that one and concentrated on the one I got from you, I made up a trailer for it but have now decided to make a carrier to fit it on the back of the troopie instead, its easier to get about in the bush that way.

cheers

stayyerAU

Hi Stayer, Yes it's been a while, I do lurk the forum all the time but don't have much to say. Just got back from the bush, did ok but you never get enough// Probably head out again in a week or so. Might see you out there in your troopy one day. Im still towing the Kimberly Camper when Im on my own. The van if the wife comes. Scooter..

G'Day StayyerAU,

You're on the right track by lowering your tyre pressures, we do a fair amount of 4x4 time through work and play and(touch wood) have never staked a tyre yet.

The trick is to carry an air compressor and adjust your tyre pressure to the conditions. Your back will be thankful for the extra effort and your shocks also.

The old school outback fellas won't put oversized tyre/rims on and I'm pretty sure that they have it fairly well worked out.

I'm running Mickey Thompsons these days but have had a good run out of Coopers in the past.

Carrying extra spare tyres is a pain but they're a bit like money and sex "don't matter until you ain't got none".

Legs

I run Coopers Stt and one spare for the wagon.

A big box of plugs and some common sense in how you drive around.
Don't even have to take the wheel off, who would want to in that heat? and we are pulling a 5 tonne rig.

We go into the worst type of country and in the mid 40,s and average one stake a year with 9 months out there.

check out the cooper s/t maxx,takes over from the s/t,10 ply but with a thicker 3 ply cross section wall.

problem in rough country with spiking tryes,if you let the tyre down ,it bellies out SO DOES IT makes it more prone to spiking ???????
i think it does,most ply ratings are for the tread not the sides.

thats a flash looking hate your wearing there mate

a.i spiridovitch wrote:I run Coopers Stt and one spare for the wagon.

A big box of plugs and some common sense in how you drive around.
Don't even have to take the wheel off, who would want to in that heat? and we are pulling a 5 tonne rig.

We go into the worst type of country and in the mid 40,s and average one stake a year with 9 months out there.

What are you pulling said 5 tonne rig with?

Robert

rather than spre radiator hoses there is a product called "tommy tape"
available at all good hardware stores and possibly a few bad ones...

it is a teflon tape that stretches and seals on itself,
can be used for water fuel and radiator hoses..

instead of green slime i would suggest plug and patch,

just keep in mind you need something to reinflate the tyre

cheers

A slight correction there "newhobby".
Tommy Tape is a silicone tape not teflon. I got mine from Bunnings and from memory it had a different name.
It takes quite a while to cure so may not be suitable for a "fix and go" job on a radiator.

Robert

fair call on the silicon..my bad
it does work as fix and go radiators done it just stretch it a much as you can
and roll it tight

cheers

Goldnomad wrote:

a.i spiridovitch wrote:I run Coopers Stt and one spare for the wagon.

A big box of plugs and some common sense in how you drive around.
Don't even have to take the wheel off, who would want to in that heat? and we are pulling a 5 tonne rig.

We go into the worst type of country and in the mid 40,s and average one stake a year with 9 months out there.

What are you pulling said 5 tonne rig with?

Robert

Suzuki Jimny

Gday

I found this site while researching cross ply tyres, read the section in regards to bias cross ply tyres, and the way the sidewalls are constructed.

http://www.beadelltours.com.au/tyre_construction.html

cheers

stayyerAU