Prospectors have to minimise any damage in the forest.

Today, my outing was in Dunolly, I must say in all honesty that is one of the most beautiful places I've visited so far, the town is a gem, all the shops were open, people sitting in front of the bakery, the streets with very little traffic, a relaxing scene, especially for people like me who live in Melbourne.
Unfortunately, after leaving the main road I started to follow one of the many tracks leading into the forest.
After I followed what seemed the right one for almost twenty minutes, I stopped the car in a quiet gully, with signs of of old diggings.
Unfortunately this is part of what I found in that small part of paradise. This horrible scene has left me speechless.
If I remember correctly prospectors are required to fill the holes, not to disturb nature and do not litter the bush.
I leave you judging the photo taken today.
Cheers
Goldquest

It is the same all over the country, due to the fact that people will dump rubbish in the Bush to save on the rip off tip fees. In the end it will cost much more to clean up their mess.

Looks like an old timers pit with rubbish dumped in it from someone's house who were too lazy to go to the tip. The graffiti on the side would indicate some young ones with no respect. I haven't seen any prospectors walking around the bush with a can of spray paint.

It's beyond me how you can blame prospectors fot the rubbish and spray paint.

It's accusations like that which give Greenies Ammunition.

Everyone I know fills their holes and takes their rubbish home.

Not Happy

G.B.

we took some rubbish out to the tip and it cost us $35... the days when you just use to drive in unload it and drive off. anyway i went for a drive around the bush near the tip as it was old gold grounds, i come across that much rubbish that people just left as they couldn't or didn't wont to pay the fees.
cheers
stoppsy

Hi Goldquest,

I know this spot - Very sad to see this but unfortunately this is very common around the GT. From what I've seen lately illegal rubbish dumping is only worsing.

If I find a fresh dump of rubbish I always try and find a receipt or something to identify the dumpee. I've had some success >> now that's satisfying.

A

G.B. wrote:Looks like an old timers pit with rubbish dumped in it from someone's house who were too lazy to go to the tip. The graffiti on the side would indicate some young ones with no respect. I haven't seen any prospectors walking around the bush with a can of spray paint.

It's beyond me how you can blame prospectors fot the rubbish and spray paint.

It's accusations like that which give Greenies Ammunition.

Everyone I know fills their holes and takes their rubbish home.

Not Happy

G.B.

You did't undertand the message, read it again, what I mean is that the same rules apply for all, not just for prospectors.
I hope this clarifies my post for you.
It's beyond me how you couldn't understand it in the first place.
Cheers
Goldquest

I'm glad that other forum members have understood the meaning of the message that I brought to the attention, with the exception of G.B., but there is always one individual who speaks, (or writes on this occasion), before putting the brain in gear.
Cheers
Goldquest

ok guys, we dont really need bickering of any sort to start from this (im not saying you are bickering but i can see it coming).

The original post, believe it or not, can be taken as goldquest intended it to be, OR as GB took it.
Point is, it wasnt directed at prospectors. I think goldquest was merely stating that all these rules about prospectors filling pissy little holes and taking their cherry ripe wrappers out of the bush with them so WE dont damage it is all well and good but rediculously scrutinised by greenies etc..... but how about the significant damage of these idiots who dump their household crap in the bush, yet never mentioned by the same gov bodies! And its not because these arrogant people have no money for tip fees. Its pure disrespect and laziness.
Ironic isnt it... these people who cant afford to throw their crap at the tip because of fees.... they pull up in their hotted up cars, smoking cigarettes, dump their rubbish then go home for a coldie.

Am i out of line saying this? I dont care. I didnt come to this forum for a few months due to bickering. Im trying to avoid seeing it again.

Hi all,yes we are all on the right track right here on this topic.The Howard said "Im trying to avoid seeing again" SPOT ON, how do we fix it? What do we need - dozer,truck to get it there, fuel and most of all a fair bit of coin! petty hard to fix what do we think?

TheH0ward wrote:ok guys, we dont really need bickering of any sort to start from this (im not saying you are bickering but i can see it coming).

The original post, believe it or not, can be taken as goldquest intended it to be, OR as GB took it.
Point is, it wasnt directed at prospectors. I think goldquest was merely stating that all these rules about prospectors filling pissy little holes and taking their cherry ripe wrappers out of the bush with them so WE dont damage it is all well and good but rediculously scrutinised by greenies etc..... but how about the significant damage of these idiots who dump their household crap in the bush, yet never mentioned by the same gov bodies! And its not because these arrogant people have no money for tip fees. Its pure disrespect and laziness.
Ironic isnt it... these people who cant afford to throw their crap at the tip because of fees.... they pull up in their hotted up cars, smoking cigarettes, dump their rubbish then go home for a coldie.

Am i out of line saying this? I dont care. I didnt come to this forum for a few months due to bickering. Im trying to avoid seeing it again.

Hi TheHOward, thanks for clearing up the situation, no bickering was intended.
cheers
Goldquest

It's sad to see what one or two locals do to there bushland I have been riding dirt bikes in the bush all over Victoria since I was 17 years old. I have seen this crap all over the state, it's nearly always around the 15km - 20km mark out of town your guaranteed to see a wash machine and an old mattress

It,s only a matter of time when big brother says enough is enough and sticks gates on all the entrances with emergency vehicles only sign's like they have done up at kosciusko NSW.

Ren...

Ren wrote: with emergency vehicles only sign's
Ren...

If ya need a gold fix, could this be classified as an emergency.

I think the councils need to have two free days at the tips for people who cannot afford the very high prices paid !!!

It would also save them $$$ cleaning these illegal dumpings. It is really a shame as our council rates are always going through the roof.

Goldquest.

Please accept my SINCEREST APOLOGY for the misunderstanding of the point you were trying to make when I read your post.

Although as TheHOward rightly pointed out it could be interpreted either way,

However as I did unintentionally wrongly interpret the good point you were trying to make and publicly commented on my interpretation on this forum, I believe I needed to apologise for that mistake publicly on this forum rather than in a private PM to you.

G.B.

Why some people find it necessary to dump scrap metal in the bush is beyond me, don't they realise that most tips today are accepting these materials as recyclables.
This scrap is sold off to recyclers and gives the councils some return on the operation of the tip and, at those tips that I am familiar with, all recyclables are accepted free of charge.
Many "Tips" are now interchange stations with household rubbish being dumped into containers for transport to landfill tips, this incurs cost from collection / transport/ dumping fee at the landfill....these are the basis on which local "tip" fees are calculated.
Landfill dumps are becoming an endangered species as EPA makes it hard for new dumps to be developed at old quarry sites etc for all those reasons that they rattle on about continually.
Heard the latest? Landfill dumps will, under the Carbon Tax, will cop huge penalties by way of emmission charges because of the Methane emmitted from decomposing materials. (I thought that landfill dumps were sealed at the end of each day to prevent emmissions to the atmosphere) That should pump up tipping fees as these charges will be imposed on local councils
Aha! Madam Julias Cash for Clunkers has morphed into Madam Julias Cash for Crap.....Sneaky ain't she?

cheers Cranky

G.B. wrote:Goldquest.

Please accept my SINCEREST APOLOGY for the misunderstanding of the point you were trying to make when I read your post.

Although as TheHOward rightly pointed out it could be interpreted either way,

However as I did unintentionally wrongly interpret the good point you were trying to make and publicly commented on my interpretation on this forum, I believe I needed to apologise for that mistake publicly on this forum rather than in a private PM to you.

G.B.

Do not worry G.B., I realized you did not understand what I meant, ( Unfortunately English is not my first language ), I lived half my life in big cities because of my work, since I arrived in Australia, more than 40 years ago as a photographer, I began to appreciate the beauty of Australian nature, and see scenes like those represented in the photos, they hurt.
Cheers
Goldquest

Just to let you know, tipping charges in Perth are also ridiculously high . If you drive 20 minutes out of the city, the bush is littered with garbage like yours . National problem by the looks. cheers Pete.

Our council gives every household 2 free tip vouchers per year which i find very handy, But saying that if you drive out of town into the bush you will still find rubbish being dumped Some people just dont even seem to try

lucky my 3000 has discrimination as I would have a bit of trouble poking around in there....

yeah this is a common site these days and the longer the rubbish stays there the next moron comes along a thinks its ok to dumb his rubbish there aswell...

My local council realised the stupidity of making people pay to go to the tip, on the basis that if it was free there would be less dumping than if one had to pay! Occasionally very occasionally someone is clever enough to realise that user pays isnt such a bright idea, especially if, they think they can get away with dumping it! Not to say that there still isnt illegal dumping there is but a damn sight less this way!

I have no doubt that in a decade or so, as happens sometimes now, the polluted parts of the bush will prove most productive, when all the junk is gone. In the seventies I regularly recovered coins and relics from old fields, now virtually totally depleted. I also know that early detectorists were not so careful in disposal of metal junk
Go. dig, be lucky.
regards Phil