19" GPZ 7000 Coil info.

I gota question for you AUoptimist , how slow was your swing speed , being a large coil does it need to swung like the old 18"DD's coils from yrs past - slow on the ground ?

Marty

Hi Martin R,
All three of us were pretty much in agreeance that slow was the go, the long grass did not help either; we played around with different swing speeds over bare ground while trying different harness configurations and not seriously looking for gold at that stage, we noted that with a fast swing speed it took a little extra effort to revers the swing direction, still very early days with the new coil and it will be very interesting to see what comes along in terms finds and not just gold finds.
Cheers, AUoptimist.

I unpacked mine today and did a simple air test with a 20c coin near the power metre of the house after Cancel mode and GB this coil was quiet this close to EMI and the difference between the 14 and 19" coil with the coin was 5" in HY,diff,9sense.
I'm happy with that for now till I can get out on the field soon
I didnt think that the full set up was all that heavy fore I never used the harness with the 14' coil from day one anyways
Time will tell if the ground coverage alone with the odd nugget in the mix will be enough, at the end of the day its only a 1oz investment

Might also add when I upped the gain the EMI increased and the taget disapeared lowered it right down below 8 and no EMI but a verry crisp sharp signal , it make me wonder if I've been doing all wrong the past year 8-(

Marty

AUoptimist where you guys using Boosters with the WM module or just the WM module or headphones
M.

Martin R wrote:I unpacked mine today and did a simple air test with a 20c coin near the power metre of the house after Cancel mode and GB this coil was quiet this close to EMI and the difference between the 14 and 19" coil with the coin was 5" in HY,diff,9sense.
I'm happy with that for now till I can get out on the field soon
I didnt think that the full set up was all that heavy fore I never used the harness with the 14' coil from day one anyways
Time will tell if the ground coverage alone with the odd nugget in the mix will be enough, at the end of the day its only a 1oz investment

Might also add when I upped the gain the EMI increased and the taget disapeared lowered it right down below 8 and no EMI but a verry crisp sharp signal , it make me wonder if I've been doing all wrong the past year 8-(

Marty

Marty I don't know all your figures, but 5" difference has to be 30 or better % ?.

I concur with the gain observation. I have been using conservative settings for a while now, I believe Zed is a little like a VLF in that often, less is more, but I do have excellent hearing and bad eyesight. To wind up the gain full bore and wind down the threshold to a murmur seems counterintuitive to me, and has not worked out better in my situation.

JP has always been a conservative settings type of bloke, I noticed that after the release of the 5000 his gain level recomendations went up a little from previous models but not by much. He has always suggested a modest gain with Zed, relying instead on a booster to lift the responses and thereby not overloading and swamping the audio processor resolution. He makes a very interesting comment in the latest treasure talk about this data compression twist.

I too can't make a complete judgement on this coil until I've put it over areas myself where I'm certain gold remains just out of reach of the 14"
A number of these areas were worked to silence with the X and large monos but gave up some gold to the Zed, but it was very deep and I had to move the coil at an ants pace. I expect the 19" will need a snails pace to get what remains if any.

Cheers
Kev.

Morning Martin R,
I have less than optimal hearing, ask the better half, from my GPX5000 days I've used a dual channel dual speaker set-up with individual volume controls and a volume limit switch, for me it works extremely well, I built the same rig for my regular prospecting mate who used it until just recently when he decided to try head phones. He found that plugging the phones into the WM12 was less than optimal in terms of audio clarity of targets, compared to plugging the phones into the 6.5mm socket on the booster, he seems to be very happy with that configuration, his finds of small gold tend to support his decision to change on our last trip. We set the 7000 volume just below the factory preset and the adjust the booster volume/s to suit the prevailing conditions, much easier and quicker that chasing through menus, also we can adjust audio output to favour left and or right ear to suit ones hearing deficiencies and other variables while detecting.
Cheers, AUoptimist.

alchemist wrote:

Martin R wrote:I unpacked mine today and did a simple air test with a 20c coin near the power metre of the house after Cancel mode and GB this coil was quiet this close to EMI and the difference between the 14 and 19" coil with the coin was 5" in HY,diff,9sense.
I'm happy with that for now till I can get out on the field soon
I didnt think that the full set up was all that heavy fore I never used the harness with the 14' coil from day one anyways
Time will tell if the ground coverage alone with the odd nugget in the mix will be enough, at the end of the day its only a 1oz investment

Might also add when I upped the gain the EMI increased and the taget disapeared lowered it right down below 8 and no EMI but a verry crisp sharp signal , it make me wonder if I've been doing all wrong the past year 8-(

Marty

Marty I don't know all your figures, but 5" difference has to be 30 or better % ?.

I concur with the gain observation. I have been using conservative settings for a while now, I believe Zed is a little like a VLF in that often, less is more, but I do have excellent hearing and bad eyesight. To wind up the gain full bore and wind down the threshold to a murmur seems counterintuitive to me, and has not worked out better in my situation.

Cheers
Kev.

Hi Kev
Sorry been away
Yes it was 5" diff between the 2 coils , like I said I'm more than happy with that

Remember when the Z 1st came out we were told don't drive it like a 5000 cause it just wont work for you!
I think many owners are trying to overdrive their "Z", believing more has to push deeper , not so from what I've seen

Marty

I was just browsing google maps, when I came across this. This business resides across the road from Minelab. (Heard there's a secret tunnel underneath the street between these 2 buildings.)  

I don't think I have ever seen a group of people so quick to shite bag the company that provides them with product to make their hobby or job possible...........its pretty ordinary actually.........they haven't even been properly contacted and given any opourtunity at all........this all has been a very poor example of adult behaviour really from start to finish.

Harb wrote:I don't think I have ever seen a group of people so quick to shite bag the company that provides them with product to make their hobby or job possible...........its pretty ordinary actually.........they haven't even been properly contacted and given any opourtunity at all........this all has been a very poor example of adult behaviour really from start to finish.

I agree with you Harb. If we read JP's recent treasure talk blogs and really think deeply about what he is actually saying you will discern that this is a specialist piece of kit, to deploy in precise situations, many seem to have been expecting something else.

It is not possible to get a full picture of a coils performance, comparing them by waving them over a target like a magic wand.

It is true that people out their are remaining positive and getting on with the job, and having success, and I do believe they resist posting here because of the negative outlook and don't want to be associated with those who bag a company that has invested so much work to bring us incredible tools.

We need to just get on with the job, think about where your dream nugget may be hiding and get out their and find it, you have the tools learn how to use them.

Kevin.

https://m.facebook.com/Bendigo-Prospecting-Club-289894031107103/

To Harb and Alchemist, we'll see how you feel when you have used the dog, which neither of you have.

Right-o fellas,enough's enough. We've heard enough theories/reports on the large 19 inch GPZ coil,some favourable, some not so favourable. Going round & round in circles, like old broken records, repeating the same theories of how good or bad the coil might be,or what we've done or shouldn't have done, towards getting better results with the new 19 inch coil, is getting up each others nerves & only agitates/aggravates the situation.
How bout we let the matter go some time, allowing all who invested in the coil a fair go at utilising it & I'm sure reports will come in on their own.
Regardless of whats been stated so far about the 19 inch coil performance (& although might not be suited to some) I'm sure it does have/serve a purpose,over the right ground conditions.  
So for the ones that have purchased the new 19 inch or intend on purchasing one,by all means do so and like others here have said,get out there & give it a fair going over (as in ground time) before making any concrete conclusions about its performance.

Cheers Kon.

My point exactly Kon. Use it then post.

Harb wrote:I don't think I have ever seen a group of people so quick to shite bag the company that provides them with product to make their hobby or job possible...........its pretty ordinary actually.........they haven't even been properly contacted and given any opourtunity at all........this all has been a very poor example of adult behaviour really from start to finish.

Yes indeed ................... I had a problem with Minelab and they sorted it ................ I even had a brand new machine sitting on my floor beside the other that at that point I hadn't even returned. If I was a scum bag I could have even scored a free detector as there was nothing wrong with the machine it was a pricing issue. But you don't bite the hand that feeds you .
I add here this was done without hassle and within days of drawing their attention to the problem.

One thing I did learn was don't bother with "some" dealers. The answer I got from the dealer I had spent 6K with days prior was quote " You haven't got a leg to stand on " I should name and shame but just not really interested ............ he will never see another dollar of mine heading West so more fool him. But I did send him a picture three days later off my brand new machine.
Guess it's a little of the old case of     Don't talk to the shite when you can talk to the shovel
Approach Minelab with a genuine concern and polite manner and you may be surprised at the result .

Should add here but ..................... after days and page after page of constant bagging some may have shot themselves in the foot as they say

I for one believe in giving a product a fair go before judging it. In the early days of the GPZ there was much harsh criticism about it and also Minelab in general on this forum.

I quietly got on with learning how to use the zed and would not turn back. I respect others right to opinion, but can only speak for myself when I say that I found good gold where my 5000 missed it. So now I have a 19 inch coil I will once again quietly give it a good go and judge it accordingly.

As for Minelab, I called them 12 months ago when I suspected my 14 inch coil was faulty. Absolutely brilliant customer service from the guys at Minelab. Even though they could not fault my coil they put a brand new one in the post. They were right, my problem did not go away with the new coil so I rang them and they were very helpful, suggesting I return the box. Less than 5 days later the box came back after repair and I have had no problems since. When speaking to them the gave me an absolute assurance that they would resolve my issues and they delivered.

Good luck to all...

[quote="Harb"]I don't think I have ever seen a group of people so quick to shite bag the company that provides them with product to make their hobby or job possible...........its pretty ordinary actually.........they haven't even been properly contacted and given any opourtunity at all........this all has been a very poor example of adult behaviour really from start to finish.[/quote]


I agree , minelab have been great to me , great products , top service department and have always got time for advice when i have picked up the phone and asked for it.
I have never understood the crap they cop every time a new product comes out.
Now days i look at this forum like a good old pub with some great people in it but like all good pubs it's got a dxxx head corner and for some reason when a new minelab product comes out that corner gets a bit crowded but it will eventualy settle down.
I hope everyone who has bought a 19 finds a life changing nugget

Fisherman wrote:

Harb wrote:I don't think I have ever seen a group of people so quick to shite bag the company that provides them with product to make their hobby or job possible...........its pretty ordinary actually.........they haven't even been properly contacted and given any opourtunity at all........this all has been a very poor example of adult behaviour really from start to finish.

I agree , minelab have been great to me , great products , top service department and have always got time for advice when i have picked up the phone and asked for it.
I have never understood the crap they cop every time a new product comes out.
Now days i look at this forum like a good old pub with some great people in it but like all good pubs it's got a dxxx head corner and for some reason when a new minelab product comes out that corner gets a bit crowded but it will eventualy settle down.
I hope everyone who has bought a 19 finds a life changing nugget

I think people have the right to comment, because every person here has been lead to believe that this coil is the all seeing eye and clearly these Very Experienced people have noticed a few short falls, and One poor soul spent hours digging a Huge Hole because the machine was signalling on the Iron stone/calcreate layer down deep, Regardless of how Nice ML are, being tricked in to all that hard work does raise a few concerns. that is something that is a little Strange to say the least,

[/quote]
I think people have the right to comment,  [/quote]

And that's what i've done.

I think people have the right to comment,  [/quote]

And that's what i've done.[/quote]

Yeah I saw that ?

Ridge Runner wrote:


I think people have the right to comment, because every person here has been lead to believe that this coil is the all seeing eye and clearly these Very Experienced people have noticed a few short falls, and One poor soul spent hours digging a Huge Hole because the machine was signalling on the Iron stone/calcreate layer down deep, Regardless of how Nice ML are, being tricked in to all that hard work does raise a few concerns. that is something that is a little Strange to say the least,

Yes people have the right to comment, but not the right to keep spurring on! 
ridge runner do you own a gpz7000??? Are you going to own a gpz7000 in the not so distant future???
If not, as you have already stated in another thread.. you seem to have a vendetta against ML.
( See below.)
I would appreciate, if you would keep your comments to yourself

Ridge runner wrote
I got stung in the past big time by all the advertising blurb and stories by certain people associated with ML,, When all the hype about this coil hit the forums I said it was a load of cobblers back then and got put in my place and Guess what, Lol,  I was right

Good afternoon Jen , I would just like to say that I think xxxxxxxx (Xxxx) depth claims need to be taken with a grain of salt because I believed him once and went and spent 3600 hard earned dollars on a machine he had talked up only to find out id been tricked !

There needs to be a balance here between the shop workers , endorsers , cash for comment stooges and we REAL PEOPLE who spend a lot of money on products and if they don't perform as advertised we should have every right to shoot them down in flames for however long we feel like it  .

Let me just ask you who is the bad guy here? The people that tell the truth ? or the company that uses lies and deception to sell its products ?

Or is it the people that censor freedom of speech ? Fancy banning someone for exposing the truth about the rotten practices of a rotten company full of bad apples , does that make the censor just as rotten as the rotten company or are they merely an innocent worm eating the apple around the rot ?

Akubra wrote:Good afternoon Jen , I would just like to say that I think xxxxxxx (Xxxx)depth claims need to be taken with a grain of salt because I believed him once and went and spent 3600 hard earned dollars on a machine he had talked up only to find out id been tricked !  

There needs to be a balance here between the shop workers , endorsers , cash for comment stooges and we REAL PEOPLE who spend a lot of money on products and if they don't perform as advertised we should have every right to shot them down in flames for however long we feel like it  . 

Let me just ask you who is the bad guy here? The people that tell the truth ? or the company that uses lies and deception to sell its products ?

Or is it the people that censor freedom of speech ? Fancy banning someone for exposing the truth about the rotten practices of a rotten company full of bad apples , does that make the censor just as rotten as the rotten company or are they merely an innocent worm eating the apple around the rot ?

Hi Akubra 



Well with out proof of where, how, or whom, Xxxx buys his products from, it has nothing do do with me!!

For a newbie.. with just 14 posts, you seem to have plenty to say?
Might i remind you.. that I don't know you from a grain of salt! 
And while Xxxx claims depth he found that nugget at. i believe him 100%. the soil in qld is totally different to the soil in victoria!
Freedom of speech is fine! Personal attacks is not.. 
I feel you may have come onto this forum to stir up trouble.. seems i may be right!


ADMIN

Jen58 wrote:

Akubra wrote:Good afternoon Jen , I would just like to say that I think xxxxxxx (Xxxx)depth claims need to be taken with a grain of salt because I believed him once and went and spent 3600 hard earned dollars on a machine he had talked up only to find out id been tricked !  

There needs to be a balance here between the shop workers , endorsers , cash for comment stooges and we REAL PEOPLE who spend a lot of money on products and if they don't perform as advertised we should have every right to shot them down in flames for however long we feel like it  . 

Let me just ask you who is the bad guy here? The people that tell the truth ? or the company that uses lies and deception to sell its products ?

Or is it the people that censor freedom of speech ? Fancy banning someone for exposing the truth about the rotten practices of a rotten company full of bad apples , does that make the censor just as rotten as the rotten company or are they merely an innocent worm eating the apple around the rot ?

Hi Akubra 




Might i remind you.. that I don't know you from a grain of salt! 



ADMIN

Maybe we could catch up for a coffee sometime and you can get to know me ?

Akubra wrote:

Jen58 wrote:

Akubra wrote:Good afternoon Jen , I would just like to say that I think Xxxxxxx(Xxxx) depth claims need to be taken with a grain of salt because I believed him once and went and spent 3600 hard earned dollars on a machine he had talked up only to find out id been tricked !  

There needs to be a balance here between the shop workers , endorsers , cash for comment stooges and we REAL PEOPLE who spend a lot of money on products and if they don't perform as advertised we should have every right to shot them down in flames for however long we feel like it  . 

Let me just ask you who is the bad guy here? The people that tell the truth ? or the company that uses lies and deception to sell its products ?

Or is it the people that censor freedom of speech ? Fancy banning someone for exposing the truth about the rotten practices of a rotten company full of bad apples , does that make the censor just as rotten as the rotten company or are they merely an innocent worm eating the apple around the rot ?

Hi Akubra 




Might i remind you.. that I don't know you from a grain of salt! 



ADMIN

Maybe we could catch up for a coffee sometime and you can get to know me ?

Thanks all the same.. i will pass for now

Akubra wrote:Good afternoon Jen , I would just like to say that I think Xxxxxxx(Xxxx)depth claims need to be taken with a grain of salt because I believed him once and went and spent 3600 hard earned dollars on a machine he had talked up only to find out id been tricked !

There needs to be a balance here between the shop workers , endorsers , cash for comment stooges and we REAL PEOPLE who spend a lot of money on products and if they don't perform as advertised we should have every right to shoot them down in flames for however long we feel like it  .

Let me just ask you who is the bad guy here? The people that tell the truth ? or the company that uses lies and deception to sell its products ?

Or is it the people that censor freedom of speech ? Fancy banning someone for exposing the truth about the rotten practices of a rotten company full of bad apples , does that make the censor just as rotten as the rotten company or are they merely an innocent worm eating the apple around the rot ?

Maybe your not as competent as Xxxx ? Why would he talk a machine up just to trick you? He's a prospector not a detector salesman or manufacturer. Pretty easy to come here & attack the bloke when he no longer posts here! I wonder why?    
Some of these comments need a clean up. They are bordering or even crossing the line of being slanderous!! Even a site manager's comments against Minelab insinuating they purchase nuggets off dozer drivers on another thread were getting up there? Or is this site just a free for all without consequence??

MBZed wrote:

Akubra wrote:Good afternoon Jen , I would just like to say that I think Xxxxxxx ( xxxxx) depth claims need to be taken with a grain of salt because I believed him once and went and spent 3600 hard earned dollars on a machine he had talked up only to find out id been tricked !

There needs to be a balance here between the shop workers , endorsers , cash for comment stooges and we REAL PEOPLE who spend a lot of money on products and if they don't perform as advertised we should have every right to shoot them down in flames for however long we feel like it  .

Let me just ask you who is the bad guy here? The people that tell the truth ? or the company that uses lies and deception to sell its products ?

Or is it the people that censor freedom of speech ? Fancy banning someone for exposing the truth about the rotten practices of a rotten company full of bad apples , does that make the censor just as rotten as the rotten company or are they merely an innocent worm eating the apple around the rot ?

Maybe your not as competent as Xxxx?Why would he talk a machine up just to trick you? He's a prospector not a detector salesman or manufacturer. Pretty easy to come here & attack the bloke when he no longer posts here! I wonder why?    
Some of these comments need a clean up. They are bordering or even crossing the line of being slanderous!! Even a site manager's comments against Minelab insinuating they purchase nuggets off dozer drivers on another thread were getting up there? Or is this site just a free for all without consequence??

I bought a ctx3030 after he said that it could pick a .2 gram nugget at 100mm . I had all my gold out on the lawn and it would hardly even signal on any of the nuggets sitting on the top , even the bigger bits .
Its not slander either PAL its true , I will happily stand in a  court of law and speak the truth .

And If its anything that needs cleaning up Buddy Its the way this company and all the hangers on treat their customers , now wipe your chin !

Talk about double standards Guys. If you don't stop these personal attacks on one another then you may need to go on a holiday and cool off a little. This goes for all members here, think before you act/putting pen to paper.

ADMIN.

Akubra has been given a 14 day sin bin for, no respect for members or Management,

ADMIN