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Post  adrian ss Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:03 pm

Am wondering if somebody on the forum has used a PE Hybrid car??
What do you think of them (from experience)
Are they gutless wonders How far will a single battery charge take you? ( Elec Mode Only).
Do they use more petrol than a non hybrid similar car?
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Post  hiluxer Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:35 pm

Hybrids only have rather small batteries, so range on battery-only will be less than 100km (often way less). For example, early Toyota Prius' were only good for about 40km on battery only. Such vehicles primarily used regenerative braking to charge the battery, although more recent models and other makes are now available with plug-in rechargeability.

The primary rationale of conventional hybrid design is to utilise the battery and electric motors to boost the performance of an under-sized petrol engine, thereby achieving low fuel usage without the downside of lack of power. Reports I've seen suggest they do this very well and owners are usually happy with the results.

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Post  adrian ss Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:57 am

The dealer I was talking to said he would not own one for long distance or mountainous driving. Reckons they are too gutless and that a conventional petrol engine leaves them for dead.
Just had a look at an all electric Tesla electric motor and like most elec motors it is simplicity  in construction with few moving parts.....So why are they so expensive????  Conventional petrol engines have many moving parts and are much more fussy about exactness in build and construction.
 While gasoline-powered vehicles typically use about 30,000 components overall, EVs require about half of that. The reason why is that electric motors have a more simplified power system that has fewer parts overall than a combustion engine.

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What will it cost to service yer all electric Tesla?
I think I can see approx 6 moving parts in this engine / big starter motor.
Already Tesla charge an arm and a leg to service these toy engines......Aside from looking at it and saying "yep she is Ok" I wonder what they actually do on a service??

Depending on how good your warranty is, this may or may not cost you more than going to the friendly mechanic at your local service station. The truth is, though, that even the dealer is going to find it difficult to find a lot to charge you for when servicing a fairly new electric car. That's because of the simplicity of the electric motor that drives it. The motor contains perhaps half a dozen moving parts, as compared to the hundreds of working parts in an internal combustion engine. There's just not that much in an electric car motor that can wear out and, when it does, it'll be relatively simple to replace.

Reckon a lot of Service Stations will close up after the change over to EVs

So! ya take yer you beaut elec v in for a service and the petrol engine mechanic looks at it and thinks, Bugger where is the oil dip stick and where do I fill up tha radiator???/Blimey there is no oil or water!! what the hell am I here for? Oh well I will just check the brakes and sign her up as done. Laughing


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Post  moredeep Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:51 am

That'll put a stop to me doing my own engine; diffs and auto oil changes.
By the time I get an EV I'll be to old to climb under a car anyway Laughing
As to all the auto shops they'll go the way of the dodo,all you'll need for EV's is trinket accessories which will be an eBay purchase.


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Post  geof_junk Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:44 am

Adrian I think the fuel tank cost and life would be a lot cheaper than the Battery and replacement for the life of the car. The reduction in CO² from cars and trucks using petroleum would have a major effect.
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Post  geof_junk Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:02 pm

A quote from elsewhere.

At the moment, the cost to replace an EV battery pack (40kWh) is around $A8000 – which is not really any more than a failed combustion engine.

However, as car-makers are set to significantly increase the production of EVs over the next decade, financial analysts predict the price of batteries will drop drastically, by more than half before 2025, which would mean a replacement battery could cost around $A2500 within a few years."
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Post  moredeep Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:25 pm

problem is ,how do you soup up a Ev to make it sound good Shocked Laughing Laughing



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Post  deutran Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:03 pm

Adrian I owned a Prius and can definitely tell you a few things.
1-The car depreciated in value faster than any other car I have owned.
2-Stated fuel savings were only applicable for city driving,once it was used in the country where little regeneration was used it used more than 6L/100km
which I could have bought a petrol car for half the cost at the time with similar figures.
3-Car had plenty of power when under acceleration as using both motors.
4-Design with planetary gears is excellent eliminating transmission services.
5-car was reliable and easy service to petrol motor,no problem with batteries.No filler for coolant.
6-Never had to worry about car not starting
7-Towing is not an option.
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Post  moredeep Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:27 am

Apparently EV are very dangerous post accident?
I spoke to a tow truck operator who said they are not a straight forward recovery, the risk of electrocution is very high.
It's a much slower procedure to make them safe to handle.
It's the same for rescue services, they can't just rush in and extract people, so the tow truck bloke said .




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Post  deutran Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:08 pm

moredeep wrote:Apparently EV are very dangerous post accident?
I spoke to a tow truck operator who said they are not a straight forward recovery, the risk of electrocution is very high.
It's a much slower procedure to make them safe to handle.
It's the same for rescue services, they can't just rush in and extract people, so tow truck bloke said .




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Very true.Some panel beaters won't touch them because of the risks.
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Post  adrian ss Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:57 pm

From what I have been able to find out, nobody has been electrocuted by their Ev yet.
I guess that 400 to 800 volts running around the car ccts is likely to make some people a bit cautious.

The lithium ion battery pack is at the rear of the vehicle is not going to like a rear end collision.

Lithium ion battery fires are very difficult to extinguish and if your EV battery starts to burn you can kiss your entire car goodby.
Sure petrol burns but not the way lithium ion burns and even after the EV battery fire is  put out it can reignite minutes or even hours later.

https://blog.storemasta.com.au/difference-between-li-ion-battery-fire-extinguishers-and-other-extinguishers

To date approx 300 Tesla Evs have caught fire and burned to the ground plus 32 deaths.
You cannot put out a lithium ion battery fire with water or any extinguisher other than a particular Lithium Ion fire extinguisher .

https://securityboulevard.com/2022/06/teslas-catching-on-fire-more-and-more/
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Post  bicter Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:18 am

moredeep wrote:problem is ,how do you soup up a Ev to make it sound good Shocked Laughing Laughing



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Take one clothes peg, a small piece of cardboard and voila, problem solved
..... always worked on my bike Laughing Laughing Cool
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Post  moredeep Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:41 pm

Laughing Laughing Laughing
I used swap cards, 4 aside = straight 8 cheers



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Post  bicter Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:32 am

moredeep wrote:Laughing Laughing Laughing
I used swap cards, 4 aside = straight 8 cheers



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That put a grin on my face before brekky, thanks MD Laughing
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Post  adrian ss Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:41 am

Won't take the hoons long to fit an Vrooom Vroooom noise maker audio amp to the eccelerator pedal. Rolling Eyes
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Post  moredeep Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:46 am

Can you do burn outs in EV's Question


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Post  adrian ss Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:43 am

In theory yes but the cars computer system will not allow it.
I have no doubt that the hoons will figure a way around that but I reckon it would screw their insurance policy.
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Post  moredeep Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:29 pm

I reckon the EV vehicle will have an audio system that emits a vroom vroom noise so us deaf old buggers don't get bowled over affraid affraid
I have been nearly skittled by Ev bikes in our local gardens ,they scare the living bejezus out of you, so much for the bell on a bike Evil or Very Mad



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Post  adrian ss Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:46 pm

Maybe the EVs will make pedestrians more alert and responsible before stepping out onto a pedestrian crossing.....Yeah right pigs A*s*. Laughing Rolling Eyes
Most pedestrians here in Canberra simply step onto the crossing without looking left or right to check for oncoming traffic.
In case they don't know it; it is illegal for a pedestrian to step on to a crossing if there is a vehicle about to enter or is already on or passing through the crossing.
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Post  adrian ss Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:56 am

Seems to me that a hell of a lot of excuses are being made regarding the causes of EV car fires with a serious attempt to make the the EVs appear safer than Internal combustion engines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents

I know what I would rather be driving or have parked in my driveway.
  I reckon that car comprehensive insurance will be higher for EVs than petrol powered vehicles. which will prove that Insurance companies see the EVs as a bad risk.

Almost all fires in EVs have been caused by the battery igniting.
How many petrol engine Lead Acid batteries do you  recall self igniting?....I have driven cars and ridden motor bikes for over 2000,000 Miles and have never seen or know of an lead acid battery catching fire.....Sure they can short out but that is rarer than hens teeth.

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