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Post  planetcare Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:09 am

Vaccine experts Anna Durbin and William Moss explain how vaccination prevents viral mutation, discuss remaining barriers to global vaccine access
https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/12/21/global-vaccination-prevents-variants-durbin-moss/

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Post  davsgold Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:07 pm

so without trying to cause a sh!t fight, why are numerous overseas countries now stopping/dropping all the vaccine mandated coerced forced vaccines, and vaccine passports and just getting on with life

are we in australia smarter than the overseas countries that started the vaccine programs before we did by a couple of months, and so in a couple of months we in australia will be dropping everything like they are doing now??????????????
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Post  planetcare Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:26 pm

nofakenewsplease wrote:so without trying to cause a sh!t fight, why are numerous overseas countries now stopping/dropping all the vaccine mandated coerced forced vaccines, and vaccine passports and just getting on with life

are we in australia smarter than the overseas countries that started the vaccine programs before we did by a couple of months, and so in a couple of months we in australia will be dropping everything like they are doing now??????????????

Factbox: Countries making COVID-19 vaccines mandatory
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/countries-making-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-2021-08-16/

Why mandatory vaccination is nothing new
Mandatory vaccinations have been with us for centuries, quietly saving lives – and they're often largely unopposed until something changes.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211029-why-mandatory-vaccination-is-nothing-new

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Post  davsgold Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:48 pm

old out of date links planetcare (Doug) try reading some fresh news

so I am still restricted on posting links FFS, just remove one of the : and the links will work Very Happy

https:://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/denmark-lifts-all-of-its-covid-19-restrictions-its-a-radical-approach-at-a-critical-time-c-5531439

https:://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/turning-point-countries-easing-covid-restrictions-82618828
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Post  planetcare Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:59 pm

nofakenewsplease wrote:old out of date links planetcare (Doug) try reading some fresh news

so I am still restricted on posting links FFS, just remove one of the : and the links will work  Very Happy

https:://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/denmark-lifts-all-of-its-covid-19-restrictions-its-a-radical-approach-at-a-critical-time-c-5531439

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/turning-point-countries-easing-covid-restrictions-82618828

And Denmarks death toll is rising as are it cases.
That is the price that countries that go down this path will have to face.
These will also be the countries where new covid variants will likely arise because increase viral transmission rates lead to more viral mutations ie variants as explained in earlier posts!

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Post  davsgold Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:34 pm

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And Denmarks death toll is rising as are it cases.
That is the price that countries that go down this path will have to face.
These will also be the countries where new  covid variants will likely arise because increase viral transmission rates lead to more viral mutations ie variants as explained in earlier posts!

planetcare (Doug or ironstone) really is that the best you can come up with Laughing  Denmark as you well know is one of the highest 3x vaxxed countries and the death toll is rising, well that is very very odd don't you think, well no you probably don't Laughing

it is the vaxxed in Denmark that are getting Omnicom or covid and the vaxxed are the ones dying and the jabbs are not stopping anything, it is the virus itself giving way better immunity to the 99.5% that recover and this is now becoming a well studied phenomenon, sure the jabs may help but they are not building immunity because you would not have to keep getting a booster jab every 3 months if they actually built up normal immunity
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Post  planetcare Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:46 pm

nofakenewsplease wrote:
planetcare wrote:

And Denmarks death toll is rising as are it cases.
That is the price that countries that go down this path will have to face.
These will also be the countries where new  covid variants will likely arise because increase viral transmission rates lead to more viral mutations ie variants as explained in earlier posts!

planetcare (Doug or ironstone) really is that the best you can come up with Laughing  Denmark as you well know is one of the highest 3x vaxxed countries and the death toll is rising, well that is very very odd don't you think, well no you probably don't Laughing

it is the vaxxed in Denmark that are getting Omnicom or covid and the vaxxed are the ones dying and the jabbs are not stopping anything, it is the virus itself giving way better immunity to the 99.5% that recover and this is now becoming a well studied phenomenon, sure the jabs may help but they are not building immunity because you would not have to keep getting a booster jab every 3 months if they actually built up normal immunity

You are missing the point! Fully Vaccinated people are less likely to be hospitalized or die with serious disease compared to the unvaccinated. Vaccination also reduces the rate of transmission. If you adjust the death rate per 100,000 people you will see in every country that the death and hospitalization rate is lower in the fully vaccinated.Natural immunity also wanes as their are many people previously infected with covid are getting omicron!

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Post  davsgold Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:07 pm

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Natural immunity also wanes as their are many people previously infected with covid are getting omicron!

Yes, the experts are also saying exactly that, but the experts also (well) some of them say that after getting the virus your natural immunity is 27 times stronger than any of the covid jabs.

just the same as the annual flu used to be, and it would mutate a bit as well,but many many people have a reasonable natural immunity to the flu virus, which by the way, some of the professionals are saying also helps with the covid virus because both have some things in common.

omicron is more transmittable and easier to catch obviously from the number of infections that have occurred in aussie and which WA is just starting to find out.

but omicron is way less severe, and it is being said that the omicron virus actually becomes weaker when transmitted to others in the same group/family, and this is being studied right now as to how and why this is occurring, and why some in that same group/family don't even get it at all
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Post  planetcare Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:18 pm

nofakenewsplease wrote:
planetcare wrote:
Natural immunity also wanes as their are many people previously infected with covid are getting omicron!

Yes, the experts are also saying exactly that, but the experts also (well) some of them say that after getting the virus your natural immunity is 27 times stronger than any of the covid jabs.

just the same as the annual flu used to be, and it would mutate a bit as well,but many many people have a reasonable natural immunity to the flu virus, which by the way, some of the professionals are saying also helps with the covid virus because both have some things in common.

omicron is more transmittable and easier to catch obviously from the number of infections that have occurred in aussie and which WA is just starting to find out.

but omicron is way less severe, and it is being said that the omicron virus actually becomes weaker when transmitted to others in the same group/family, and this si being studied right now as to how and why this is occurring  

The flu virus is largely under control because of herd immunity due almost entirely to vaccination!
Just because omicron is less severe does not mean its not a problem because of its highly infectious nature we will have many, many more cases and thus potentially high hospitalization rates.Omicron is still killing thousands of people every day globally!As for omicron becoming weaker as its transmitted to other family members i am not aware of any studies showing this, perhaps you can elaborate?
Here is a link showing the death rate per 100, 000 people for the fully vaccinated vs un vaccinated in a few countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

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Post  davsgold Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:31 pm

a real world report, and this is from a family member that lives in QLD and is a summary of her experience with covid, which started a bit over a week ago there are a few living in the same house, like an extended family situation anyhow read below.

"Our Covid experience:
Tristan & Ashton got barley any symptoms, slight temps, loss of appetite that's it for like 2 days, they are fully recovered .... Lilly being only 3 months old got sicker. she got the body aches for sure cause on her day 2 she would scream every time someone picked her up, temperatures, cough and sinus congestion, loss of appetite, she is day 4 now and still has slight temps here and there, starting to feed better now but still has cough & sinus congestion., but getting better each day......Austin had massive migraine headaches, loss of appetite, fevers with hot & cold shivers, body aches, joibt pain nausea but by day 3 was on the mend and is now day 8 and tested negative this morning.... Tia had had massive migraine headaches, loss of appetite, fevers with hot & cold shivers, body aches, joint pain, nausea, by day 3 was on the mend, is currently on Day 6..... Eddie and I tested positive on the same day, first 2 days were pretty brutal with migraine headaches, fevers with hot & cold shivers, the hit would hit and you feel like your going to pass out, then break into a sweat which then sends you into the cold shivers, so cold to your bones cold where you can't get warms, my fingers went tingling number with cold, body aches and every joint was painful, nausea and loss of appetite.... we are both now Day 3 and still have the headaches, body aches etc but definitely not as bad today so beginning to recover now .... Brendan has been lucky and so far is still negative,.
Tia & Brendan are double vaxxed, the rest of us are not vaxxed.... not that I think it matters if your vaxxed or not, you can still catch and spread the virus, and if unlucky or underlying health issues can end up in hospital.... this virus doesn't discriminate against vaxxed or unvaxxed, if you're going to get it you'll get get it regardless of your vax status..... just my opinion 😊
Upside: We all will now have natural antibodies against the virus 😊"
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Post  planetcare Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:25 pm

nofakenewsplease wrote:
Tia & Brendan are double vaxxed, the rest of us are not vaxxed.... not that I think it matters if your vaxxed or not, you can still catch and spread the virus, and if unlucky or underlying health issues can end up in hospital.... this virus doesn't discriminate against vaxxed or unvaxxed, if you're going to get it you'll get get it regardless of your vax status..... just my opinion 😊

The above is true! But fully vaccinated people are far less likely to end up in ICU or die from covid!

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Post  Kon61gold Sat Feb 12, 2022 6:14 pm

Nofakenews, firstly I'm sad to hear of such things happening to anyone not alone family members, but what one family with infants & small children are currently experiencing through contracting covid-19, is just that, their own experiences, but one cannot say nor imply the same side effects will be felt upon all families & people in general, whether having being vaccinated or not, but do hope they all recover safe & well & back to the way they were before contracting covid-19.
Now whether you think it matters being vaccinated or not is up to you & you alone, but you are not a qualified doctor of medicine in order to tell any other person on here, that it matters not if one gets vaccinated for the better protection of the disease side of covid-19.
Who on here has said that covid-19 discriminates between the vaxed people & or unvaxed people? Who on here has said that you can't catch covid-19 nor spread covid-19 even after having caught & recovered from covid-19 whilst being vaccinated or un-vaccinated?
You'll find the majority of doctors across the world saying that even the vaccinated to covid-19 can still catch covid-19 & spread covid-19 but are less likely to catch, spread & or fall seriously ill with the disease side of covid-19.
Now if you think it don't matter for a person to be vaccinated for you believe it makes no difference, then by all means don't get vaccinated, but leave all the ones on here who believe in being vaccinated for the better protection from covid-19 to their own conclusions.
Yes if you're going to catch covid-19 you will catch it regardless of ones vaccination status, but like myself & my own family, prefer to catch covid-19 after having had our triple dose of vaccines (of which we all have had with minimal if any side effects) & then take our chances with covid-19
Each person can decide for themselves what they want to do regarding vaccination, but no one has the right to impose their personal thoughts or beliefs, on what another person should or should not do, in way of vaccination.

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Post  adrian ss Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:32 am

My daughter and a friend (both fully vaccinated) have contracted covid 19. Both live in the biggest rat hole in Australia. My daughter lives alone with two cats and has been sick as a dog for more than a week of isolation. She tested positive her friend tested negative and was free to get out and about but chose to stay home due to being very unwell. This person was re tested negative  but like my daughter , is still sick.  My daughter is so sick she is not sure that she will make it to the testing station.
  They socalise together and became ill within 24 hours of each other.   We can not go to her until she tests negative....What a freaking joke. The entire country is vaccinated, the borders are open, people are arriving from overseas. and the disease is spreading like wild fire more rapid than in the beginning of the pandemic.

This morning 13th Feb 2020.
Daughter retested and still positive today after 7 days isolation. Told to go home and come back tomorrow for another test. ...Like WHAT THE!!. As if she will go negative overnight while still sick today. Rolling Eyes DUH.


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Post  moredeep Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:10 am

Sorry to hear that Adrian, I hope they make a speedy recovery and get well soon.
Concerning times indeed.



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Post  davsgold Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:09 am

Kon61gold wrote:Nofakenews, firstly I'm sad to hear of such things happening to anyone not alone family members, but what one family with infants & small children are currently experiencing through contracting covid-19, is just that, their own experiences, but one cannot say nor imply the same side effects will be felt upon all families & people in general, whether having being vaccinated or not, but do hope they all recover safe & well & back to the way they were before contracting covid-19.
Now whether you think it matters being vaccinated or not is up to you & you alone, but you are not a qualified doctor of medicine in order to tell any other person on here, that it matters not if one gets vaccinated for the better protection of the disease side of covid-19.
Who on here has said that covid-19 discriminates between the vaxed people & or unvaxed people? Who on here has said that you can't catch covid-19 nor spread covid-19 even after having caught & recovered from covid-19 whilst being vaccinated or un-vaccinated?
You'll find the majority of doctors across the world saying that even the vaccinated to covid-19 can still catch covid-19 & spread covid-19 but are less likely to catch, spread & or fall seriously ill with the disease side of covid-19.
Now if you think it don't matter for a person to be vaccinated for you believe it makes no difference, then by all means don't get vaccinated, but leave all the ones on here who believe in being vaccinated for the better protection from covid-19 to their own conclusions.
Yes if you're going to catch covid-19 you will catch it regardless of ones vaccination status, but like myself & my own family, prefer to catch covid-19 after having had our triple dose of vaccines (of which we all have had with minimal if any side effects) & then take our chances with covid-19
Each person can decide for themselves what they want to do regarding vaccination, but no one has the right to impose their personal thoughts or beliefs, on what another person should or should not do, in way of vaccination.

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Kon what I posted is what my daughter in QLD wrote to me about her and her extended family that live together in QLD it is NOT my opinion it is her story and what they have experienced, nothing more nothing less

What I think or do has got nothing to do with her story, everything inside the " ...." were her words and here experiences, and I was in communication via messages every day with her since the day she told me her son had come down crook, and it steadily spread to most of them that live in the same house.

None died, none went to hospital and after 8 days her son that got it first had recovered and tested negative and the rest are recovering well also
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Post  Kon61gold Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:05 pm

I both hear & understand what you are saying nofakenews, that is not what I refer to, but am glad to hear that they're all recovering well. It has nothing to do with being able or not able to catch covi-19 after being vaccinated, for both the vaccinated & un-vaccinated & even the ones who think they're immune to covid-19 after having recovered from covid-19, are still prone to contracting covid-19 all over again. Its just that after recovering from covid-19 by catching it a second time round, having built up more than enough antibodies during the first recovery, might feel much less of any side effects associated from covid-19.
It is the implication part of when you say "not that you think it matters if you are vaccinated or not"  this is what I refer to as being your belief & your belief only, for the majority of doctors/scientists around the world, do believe that it does matter, as well as make a difference if one is vaccinated for the better protection to covid-19 & this is fact.
It has been shown by a majority of countries/peoples/doctors, nurses around the world today, that one has more chance of surviving from the disease side of covid-19, as well as help reduce the spread of covid-19, as well as reduce the chances of contracting covid-19 in the first place, by being vaccinated, as compared to one not being vaccinated.

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Post  davsgold Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pm

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It is the implication part of when you say "not that you think it matters if you are vaccinated or not"  this is what I refer to as being your belief & your belief only,

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Kon you state this as if I wrote it, I did not, it is a copy of what was sent to me, and it is there opinion, it might be mine as well but that is not for you to say as it is not what I said

if you don't want real world reports of what actually has happened to people and there first hand experiences then say so, everyone is able to have an opinion wether it is right or wrong it is still that persons opinion
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Post  Kon61gold Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:28 pm

My apologies. Then let me re-phrase it from what you didn't say yourself, to what somebody else has said, as what they as one individual family have experienced upon contracting covid-19.
It is the implication of what's been said that remains the same to me regardless of who says it.
Once again I state that this is what one individual family alone has experienced through contracting covid. The same situation/effects cannot be said for the whole worlds families/peoples, for it is not something of the same all people will feel or expect go through.
The symptoms/side effects of contracting covid-19, are & can be different on each & every other individuals & their families.
Yes everyone has a right to their own opinion, but in this case, not if the facts of the worlds populations state different. Some feel little if no side effects at all upon catching covid-19 whilst others can end up fighting for their lives.
Besides, we are stating to stray far from what the main topic says.

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Post  adrian ss Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:11 pm

moredeep wrote:Sorry to hear that Adrian, I hope they make a speedy recovery and get well soon.
Concerning times indeed.

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So there ya go; After having tested positive for covid 19 and after 7 days of isolation my daughter was re tested and was still positive. 24 hours later she was re tested negative but is still sick as......Go figure. Suspect scratch Rolling Eyes
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Post  Kon61gold Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:48 pm

Not sure as to what's going on there Adrian, but can only wish her a safe & speedy recovery.

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Post  davsgold Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:56 pm

"shock horror as Moderna CEO sells $400M of his stock in the Company and deletes his social media"
https://www.ehtrend.com.br/en/pages/1510331/moderna-ceo-stephane-bancel-sells-400m-shares-and-deletes-twitter-acco.html

maybe he is heading for his Island Paradise in the Maldives, probably be a bit of a struggle to live on that amount though Laughing

sorry a bit of topic but still interesting to know what is happening Very Happy

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Post  mbasko Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:41 pm

"Bancel has been steadily selling off shares of Moderna stock since late 2019, before the covid-19 pandemic arrived and before the company’s announcement that it was developing a mRNA vaccine. Before the pandemic, the company‘s market value was around $6.5 billion, it’s now $65 billion after reaching as high as $195 billion in August 2021. The value of Bancel’s holdings are driven by this rise and fall—not his trades. He still owns more than 21.8 million shares of Moderna stock valued at $3.5 billion and remains the largest insider shareholder."

"A Twitter account for Bancel (@sbancel) was deleted in February 2022. While this was portrayed as a highly significant event by other social media users, it should be noted that this was a personal account (not one officially connected to Moderna) that was rarely used. An archived version of this page from November 2022 shows Bancel’s most recent post was from April 2019."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/moderna-ceo-dump-400-million-stock/

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Post  adrian ss Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:20 am

Kon61gold wrote:Not sure as to what's going on there Adrian, but can only wish her a safe & speedy recovery.

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The night before she was to be retested I told her over the phone: " Close your eyes and say to yourself; I will test negative to covid tomorrow"
    So There ya go. The power of the human mind. Very Happy alien
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Post  davsgold Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:09 am

What about this?

"Former deputy chief medical officer Dr Nick Coatsworth says Omicron variant is ‘clearly not’ as threatening as influenza
Dr Nick Coatsworth believes influenza is far more threatening than the Omicron variant for healthy adults and children saying if he was forced to choose which vaccine to give his children he would pick the influenza vaccine "every time".

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/former-deputy-chief-medical-officer-dr-nick-coatsworth-says-omicron-variant-is-clearly-not-as-threatening-as-influenza/news-story/9f7684fc26256ccccbddf2bf7ec3a142?fbclid=IwAR0yjb49sD0pMlVc8i6X14xilzMugFQCY63ImxAoLqB87heQIIEl5ZZzSbg
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Post  planetcare Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:39 am

davsgold wrote:What about this?

"Former deputy chief medical officer Dr Nick Coatsworth says Omicron variant is ‘clearly not’ as threatening as influenza
Dr Nick Coatsworth believes influenza is far more threatening than the Omicron variant for healthy adults and children saying if he was forced to choose which vaccine to give his children he would pick the influenza vaccine "every time".

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/former-deputy-chief-medical-officer-dr-nick-coatsworth-says-omicron-variant-is-clearly-not-as-threatening-as-influenza/news-story/9f7684fc26256ccccbddf2bf7ec3a142?fbclid=IwAR0yjb49sD0pMlVc8i6X14xilzMugFQCY63ImxAoLqB87heQIIEl5ZZzSbg

But a combination of omicron and influenza could be even worse.Being vaccinated against both would seem the most prudent policy.

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Post  adrian ss Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:09 pm

Seems to me that this virus is out of control with vaccinated people getting Covid 19 or Omicron and with restrictions lifted the virus is once again getting into the aged care homes and is killing people.
    People who caught the covid early and recovered without hospitalization and have not yet been vaccinated seem to be not catching Omicron or C 19 a second time??

My daughter who is super fit and  fully vaccinated  is going down a second time and has lost her voice ....But has once again tested negative to the virus after having previously tested positive and doing 7 days isolation. So what the hell has she contracted??
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Post  Kon61gold Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:16 pm

G'day Dave, I prefer not to spend hrs differentiating the differences between A-B-C-D types of Influenza & or covid-19 & its variants, but where  Dr Coatsworth says "Omicron variant is clearly not as threatening as influenza" meaning "seriously sick or life threatening" on people in general, is pretty much correct. But the term Influenza is used quite broadly here for influenza, covers more than just your mild, sore throat/cough common yearly flue, which the majority of us get & recover from anyways.
Both omicron & influenza & although each a different type of virus, are both contagious respiratory diseases, which attack the respiratory system/lungs, with Influenza leading to pneumonia type symptoms, more often than omicron.
This is mostly why Dr Coatsworth has deemed influenza more dangerous overall than covid omicron.
The main thing here to keep in mind & as planetcare states (both being respiratory diseases) there is nothing stopping the two from combining together & working as one, making it then a more lethal & dangerous combination on a persons health.
On another note what has the covid-19 virus, got to do with an influenza type virus? Both are different type viruses, requiring different type vaccinations. Its not a matter of one choosing what each would prefer to get in way of vaccine, but according to what type of virus they have contracted or tested positive to. Besides, the outbreak we refer to here & now is of the covid/omicron virus type with influenza still to rear its ugly head sometime further down the track.
But I'm no doctor gents & you can treat all of what I've said above with a grain of salt. Shocked  Laughing

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Post  davsgold Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:56 pm

Kon61gold wrote:Its not a matter of one choosing what each would prefer to get in way of vaccine, but according to what type of virus they have contracted or tested positive to.

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I think you will find the Drs etc will tell you that once you have caught either the Flu or Covid/Omnicom it is to late to get either vaccine, you need to wait till you have recovered from these illness for a certain amount of time then get the jab or jabs. But the catch 22 is that once recovered your own immunity has built up quite a solid defence to these viruses
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Post  bicter Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:28 pm

davsgold wrote:

I think you will find the Drs etc will tell you that once you have caught either the Flu or Covid/Omnicom it is to late to get either vaccine, you need to wait till you have recovered from these illness for a certain amount of time then get the jab or jabs.  But the catch 22 is that once recovered your own immunity has built up quite a solid defence to these viruses  

One point that most people are unaware of is that the Flu vaccine is actually 4 vaccines in one. 2 subsets of type A and 2 of type B. Not sure if catching type B or A creates antibodies for future defence against the other variants of the flu. https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/vaccine-preventable-diseases/influenza-flu
I can't recall where I read it but I understand that each year the flu vaccines are chosen based in what the scientists believe will be the greatest risk to the general population.
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Post  Kon61gold Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:43 pm

I can agree with you on that one Dave. The only thing I struggle to comprehend in is, once recovered from a flue type virus or that of covid-19 with or without being vaccinated & your own immunity having built up quite a solid defence for either such viruses, why one is still prone to recaching either viruses within a short span of time after recovering from such, is something of a quandary.
Each persons immune system is slightly different than the next. One person can build up a lot of antigens to fight off contracting the same virus (of which they recently caught & got over) whilst others don't produce as much antigens, hence are more vulnerable to recaching the same virus with minor or all its symptoms once again. Solid defence build up yes, but not enough of a build up for some, towards not contracting either virus again.
In the case of the flue or influenza type virus, no sooner does one recover from such, but within the same month can re-catch or come down with the flue once again, regardless of what antigen build up they have gained from catching the flue prior.  
Dr Coatsworth also knows that there are slightly more risks/side-effect's, coming from the newly developed covid-19 vaccines (of which the majority of world populations are well aware of by now) than the now long time tested & proven flue vaccines.
From what I can gather or believe (& my belief only) Side effects mild or severe, caused by or due to a covid-19 vaccine, does not necessarily come from the vaccine itself, but are triggered off by the body's immune system, to a foreign introduced substance (covid-19 vaccine) whilst trying to fight it off or adjust itself to it. But again this is only my mumbo jumbo thrown in, not gospel.
Adrian in your daughters case, it could be more than one type bug virus going around but, my well wishes & a safe speedy recovery to her.

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