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Post  moredeep Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:05 pm

Well hopefully he hasn't Deutran, I wouldn't wish ill health on any one.
Maybe he's just on a break?
Take care all.

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Post  adrian ss Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:11 am

Was talking to the Vaccination registrar this morn and we are considered to be fully vaccinated if we have had the first two covid shots.
The Booster is not essential, you can take it or leave it. But it may become essential in the near future. Also it is best to get the same booster as your first two jabs. So if you had AZ then get the AZ booster and MD if you had MD vaccine etc.
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Post  Nightjar Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:15 am

deutran wrote:I thought something was missing,where's Planetcare?.Maybe he's got Covid.

Wouldn't wish Covid on anyone, we can only hope he has taken a long hike. clown
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Post  adrian ss Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:41 am

Hope he is OK. been a bit quiet here lately.
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Post  moredeep Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:07 am

adrian ss wrote:Was talking to the Vaccination registrar this morn and we are considered to be fully vaccinated if we have had the first two covid shots.
The Booster is not essential, you can take it or leave it.  But it may become essential in the near future. Also it is best to get the same booster as your first two jabs. So if you had AZ then get the AZ booster and MD if you had MD vaccine etc.

All depends on what you read and who you talk to.
A google search will give you plenty of info and ATAGI give their opinions as well.
Some vaccine hubs are only offering what they have in stock, so I was happy to get what ever.


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Post  Kon61gold Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:19 pm

G'day gents

Less the whole worlds populations work together as one, thinking of others less fortunate than them selves, this ever mutating/changing type virus, will be with us for a long time.
The nations that have plenty must help the ones that have not, or we will never stay on top nor put an end to this everchanging type virus.
Adrian this new omicron variant, like previous past variants, should not be taken lightly just because of its said weaker status or form it infects people with, for it has been proven to be the most contagious of them all, for the number of infections to date, have surpassed all expectation whilst continuing to grow.
What people must realise here is that vaccines are only part of the whole equation as to being safe or being protected, the rest lies in the use of wearing appropriate face masks & social distancing wherever necessary/possible & or staying outside or in well ventilated areas when indoors. It is the only way we'll be able to stay on top of things.
What is also not mentioned much on here are the effects of long term covid after having contracted covid_19 and gotten better. Many a recovered person, hospitalised for covid or not, vaccinated for covid or not, have been complaining of some form of long term health issues continuing to persist, long after they had so called recovered. The total number of such people around the world have reached 100 million+, a number not to be taken lightly. Shocked
It also has been mentioned on more than one occasion, that the vaccines regardless of what type, make or brand, have been known to drop to well bellow the 50% efficacy rate to covid_19 within 6 months of being vaccinated & almost 0 protection after approximately 9 months of having your vaccine. This is why the third dose or booster shot has been highly recommended by the worlds medical professions & that of the sciences/medicines, in order to keep that vaccine efficacy rate towards covid_19 as high as possible.
As for the omicron variant itself, it differentiates not between the vaccinated or unvaccinated, for it has the potential to infect both, including the ones who have caught & recovered from covid_19 without ever have been vaccinated. The difference being that vaccinated people, have a higher % of keeping covid_19 at bay or better at fighting it off, so that they don't come down with the actual disease & end up in hospital or in ICU, fighting for ones life.
Lets also not forget, that the delta strain has not disappeared, but is being overrun/overtaken by the more contagious omicron strain. Delta is still going round in there amongst it all. So don't anyone think its only the lighter version of omicron one can catch, only to find out later they caught the delta strain.
I also agree with moredeep on this one. What is currently available out there in way of vaccine at the time, is far better than one believing in waiting or holding off for what they think might be best for them, increasing their daily chances of contracting this virus, from where one least expected to have contracted it from.
Regardless of what I've said above, know that in no way am I saying to anyone on here, quick run & get your vaccines before its to late, this can only be decided by each & every individual, keeping in mind, that laws are introduced by a nation, not just for the purpose of protecting one from someone else,  but protecting one from their own selves.
Take care out there everyone.

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Post  Guest Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:22 pm

You related to PC by any chance Kon?? joking. lol!

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Post  adrian ss Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:45 pm

Ring this number and tell them they are wrong:
1800653809.
They get their info from the best medical advise but if anybody here can bring them up to date then feel free to do so. Very Happy
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Post  mbasko Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:49 pm

ATAGI wrote:Given the  likelihood  of  ongoing transmission of  both  Omicron and  Delta variants,  ATAGI  now recommends  COVID-19 booster  vaccination for  anyone  aged  18  and older  who completed their primary  course  of  COVID-19 vaccination  4  or  more  months  ago.
ATAGI  advises  that  based  on current  evidence,  the groups  most  likely  to benefit  from  booster  doses are those with risk  factors  for  severe COVID-19  and/or  those  at  increased risk  of   COVID-19,  notably:
•  People at  greater  risk  of  severe COVID-19:  individuals  aged 50  years  and  older,  those with underlying  medical  conditions,  residents  of  aged care  and disability  facilities,  and Aboriginal  and Torres  Strait  Islander  adults.  In  these groups  the  benefit  of  a  booster dose is  primarily  to  reduce the  risk  of  severe COVID-19.  
•  People at  increased occupational  risk  of  COVID-19:  a  booster  dose  for  individuals  in this  group  is  expected  to  reduce  their  likelihood of  SARS-CoV-2 infection  and associated occupation-related impacts,  acknowledging that  infection will  be mostly  mild in these individuals  due  to prior  vaccination  and younger  age.  Booster  doses  may  also reduce the potential  for  infected  individuals  to  transmit  SARS-CoV-2,  although evidence for  this  is  currently  limited.
•  People living in jurisdictions  with active community  transmission of  either  the Delta or Omicron variant  are  more likely  to benefit  from  a  COVID-19  booster  at  this  point  in  time. The risk  of  exposure  to SARS-CoV-2,  including  to  the Omicron variant,  currently  varies significantly  between  jurisdictions.  

Both  Comirnaty  (Pfizer)  and  Spikevax  50µg  (Moderna)  COVID-19 vaccines  are  recommended as  a single booster  dose,  irrespective  of  the primary  COVID-19 vaccine used.  Both  are preferred over Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca),  including for  people  who received the  AstraZeneca  COVID-19  vaccine for their  primary  course.  Although not  preferred,  the AstraZeneca  COVID-19 vaccine  can  be  used as  a booster  dose  in the following situations:
•  For individuals  who have  received  the  AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine  for their  first  two doses  if  there are no  contraindications  or  precautions  for  use.  
•  If a significant  adverse  reaction has  occurred  after  a previous  mRNA  vaccine dose which contraindicates  further  doses  of  mRNA  vaccine (e.g.,  anaphylaxis,  myocarditis).  
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/atagi-recommendations-on-the-use-of-a-booster-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine
Adrian ATAGI are the advisory section of the Department of Health Australia & under the same Government Dept. banner as the Australia Immunisation Register (the 1800 number you posted) so not sure why they would be giving conflicting advice, although not surprised to hear.
In Australia the initial 2 x doses is still considered fully vaccinated & the boosters are only recommended as above not a requirement as yet.

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Post  adrian ss Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:03 pm

I thought that was what I said?? scratch
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Post  mbasko Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:32 pm

Yeah pretty much but I was referring to this bit that you posted:
Also it is best to get the same booster as your first two jabs. So if you had AZ then get the AZ booster and MD if you had MD vaccine etc.

ATAGI from above:
"Both Comirnaty (Pfizer) and Spikevax 50µg (Moderna) COVID-19 vaccines are recommended as a single booster dose, irrespective of the primary COVID-19 vaccine used. Both are preferred over Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca), including for people who received the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine for their primary course."

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Post  Kon61gold Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:26 pm

No butch, I'm not related to pc in any way, but, I don't think pc would need any lecture on the sciences from me. I'm sure he can more than handle anything thrown at him in way of the sciences, all by himself.  Smile
The important thing here is, if one is going to quote from the sciences or medical profession, make sure the quotation falls in line with what the majority of doctors/scientists around the world agree on & not the other way round.
If quoting something from any source of information, do make sure that information is first proven to be tried, tested & true, agreed upon by the majority in a similar field, or it will remain open to being scrutinised as not so & this is where the arguments set in.

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Post  adrian ss Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:42 pm

We are thinking of getting the third booster jab and so I phoned the number that was supplied with our vaccination certificate. I am going by what I was told through a lengthy conversation over the phone. Razz Razz Razz
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Post  adrian ss Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:19 am

A person held a Christmas party at their home with friends and family and work mates. (No Names place or date included).
Several people at the party  felt ill days later and went and got covid tested,all  had a positive result; They then informed the remainder of the people who were at the party who then got tested.
Of those who tested Positive , all had been vaccinated and ALL of those who tested Negative had not had any covid vaccination. Of those who tested negative, two lived in the party house, the other two who were vaccinated tested positive. Two worked along side each other at a work place, one who was un vaccinated tested negative and the other who was vaccinated tested positive. Suspect scratch
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Post  moredeep Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:52 am

I'll say it again, having the covid vaccination doesn't stop you from contracting the virus.
Having the jab will hopefully reduce your symptoms and keep you out of ICU with a tube down your gullet.
It maybe just a case of pure luck that the people who tested negative were in a well ventilated/outside area during the party??
Proximity [distance] to each other is a factor also,you can work "along side" some one but not necessarily be in their pocket /
Once again it's spin the bottle sometimes Question



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Post  planetcare Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:56 am

With omicron the break through infection rate for vaccinated people or those that have had covid previously is very high. But the booster vaccines still reduce the possibility of serious or fatal disease.

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Post  moredeep Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:43 am

https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/what-is-viral-load/

It helps if one understands viral load and shedding too, plenty of info out there.



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Post  adrian ss Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:33 pm

Yeah I gotta do some Shedding soon coz me shed is virulently loaded to the gunwales.
Tried to get into the shed yesterday but a bloody huge White tail wouldn't let me in. affraid pale Biggest bugger I have ever seen, had to be at close to 2 inches long and a cm through the abdomen.
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Post  Nightjar Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:19 pm

Here in WA with just a half hour of your time you can set up an app on your mobile to register details for proof of vaccinations and identity if asked. cheers

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Good luck anyone hoping to drop into WA from over the borders for a scratch this year. ie: A scratch for gold.

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Post  moredeep Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:40 pm

it's hard to cure arachnophobia, no vaccine for it yet either and if there was it would be delivered via those big pincer like fangs Laughing Laughing


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Post  adrian ss Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:21 am

So let's see; We know that this particular  Omicron variant of covid 19 ( there has been 5 others I think) came into Australia from South Africa at a time when there was not supposed to be any international travel....That is how it got here coz it cannot fly by itself over the ocean. Rolling Eyes
    It then spread through the suburbs in Sydney. Brisbane, etc.
The disease spreads via poor hygiene practices...Not washing hands, before and after meals, handling contaminated items, coughing and sneezing on close by people (airborne transmission). Via ducted air conditioning systems, Touching contaminated items and then transferring the virus to your mouth, eyes and nose. (mucus Membranes).

The virus cannot spread through eating contaminated foodstuffs, touching letters and packaging or via cuts in the skin as far is  known at this time.
  So Don't pick yer nose or suck your thumb or fingers after doing any of that. Rolling Eyes

Okay so now the entire country is double vaccinated against this virus and variants and our oh so wise leaders  leaders opened up the borders and allowed this variant to spread throughout the country (Except WA) and now we are back to Lock downs, panic buying and job losses by the truck load. (pretty bad when KFC cannot get any chooks aye) n I couldn't get any pork mince the other day, or bloody bird seed. pale affraid Rolling Eyes OMG! OMG! The end is nigh. pale
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Post  moredeep Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:13 am

From what I recall ,international flights had been going on for sometime.
It was only after omicron was discovered that they banned flights from south Africa but the horse had already bolted.
From my reading hand washing remains important but the most important thing to do is wear a N95 mask [if you can get them]
The cheaper surgical mask don't perform as well and cloth mask are not much use against this variant.
Omicron particles can remain airborne in a poorly ventilated room for a couple of hours [well after the person has left] its liken to being able to smell cigarette smoke or marijuana smoke
well after it has been exhaled, it lingers and drifts around.
This is why it's spreading so quickly.


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Post  adrian ss Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:32 am

I have been monitoring All International flights for quite some time before the Omicron panic and when public international travel had largely ceased into and out of Australia and when the omicron international travel ban was implemented flights from south Africa stopped and it seems that people who wanted to come here from Sth Af nipped across to Hamad Int'l and others and got on flights to Australia from there.

For some time now for whatever reason I am unable to log on to Flt Radar 24 any more......No problemo I found another way.
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Post  moredeep Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 am

I think ASIO are on to you What a Face Laughing "what's this bloke up to?" better shut him down Suspect Suspect Suspect
Another example of airborne particles was today when I took the fur babies for a walk in the park, a women; 3/4 meters away passed by and I was engulfed
in a perfume cloud that trailed her V33



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Post  planetcare Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:46 pm

NSW sustains deadliest day of pandemic, Premier says half of all ICU patients unvaccinated
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/nsw-covid-19-deadliest-day-of-pandemic/100751174

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Post  adrian ss Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:01 pm

moredeep wrote:I think ASIO are on to you What a Face Laughing "what's this bloke up to?" better shut him down Suspect  Suspect  Suspect
Another example of airborne particles was today when I took the fur babies for a walk in the park, a women; 3/4 meters away passed by and I was engulfed
in a perfume cloud that trailed her V33



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Don't worry, that stuff could take down any virus...and maybe even a T-Rex. Very Happy
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Post  adrian ss Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:06 pm

planetcare wrote:NSW sustains deadliest day of pandemic, Premier says half of all ICU patients unvaccinated
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/nsw-covid-19-deadliest-day-of-pandemic/100751174

Blimey mate!! Where have you been? Everybody has missed you. Good ta have you back. cheers
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Post  planetcare Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:06 pm

adrian ss wrote:
planetcare wrote:NSW sustains deadliest day of pandemic, Premier says half of all ICU patients unvaccinated
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/nsw-covid-19-deadliest-day-of-pandemic/100751174

Blimey mate!! Where have you been? Everybody has missed you. Good ta have you back. cheers

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Was scheduled for surgery but now that has been cancelled for the foreseeable future. We are are approaching a very desperate situation in hospitals with so many staff absent.

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Post  moredeep Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:29 pm

Dire straits comes to mind [great band] literally hundreds if not thousands of ops cancelled.
A friend was due for ablation on part of their ticker and another friend who's limping like an old dog was booked for a total knee replacement, both cancelled.
It's a case of grin and bare it and hopefully survive it Sad


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Post  soldier of fortune Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 am

moredeep wrote:Dire straits comes to mind [great band] literally hundreds if not thousands of ops cancelled.
A friend was due for ablation on part of their ticker and another friend who's limping like an old dog was booked for a total knee replacement, both cancelled.
It's a case of grin and bare it and hopefully survive it Sad


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I can see there will be a huge backlog of operations for many years to come. There were big waiting times on some operations pre - covid ,but now it will be so much worse.
I wonder how many new hospitals we will be promised at the next federal election ?

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