The pro's & con's of camouflage

thank you for your extremely informative forum,It gave me an idea to cover my 4500 in a death adder skin,no one will steal it,If confronted,i could threaten them with it.Throw it on the ground and no one will stick around very long.leaving me to all the gold.

to jason(not pulling your leg)
just came back from the palmer river goldfields,YOU WILL GET SHOT AT IF YOU ARE IN THE WRONG AREA.one person even shot at the council grader and sent the driver running (true story or so i was told) and blocked the road until they paid him access rights,got the money and now still shots at people using the road.

There was a politician coming through that way recently and I heard he had a shotgun pointed at his face by a well known lunatic that owns a property that the public road runs through (on the way to the Palmer). Was said that he shot at a helicopter the same week. I understand the politician is an occasional prospector himself and an avid fisherman. The police have no doubt been involved by now. Going to be a lot more interesting now that more people are bringing their own guns with them. Only a matter of time I guess.

Camo,
That sounds like the Grazier that reportedly (in front of witnesses) threatened to shoot the Telecom helicopter from the sky for disturbing his cattle when they were doing maintenance work on the towers in that area?

Ron

MT that dude needs to be charged with murder or manslaughter simple as that, at first i thought ok he was hunting and had a round chambered and in the distance he noticed some bird brushing her teeth so he started oggling her jugs through the optics and tugged the wrong thing or he was a sicko who again had a round chambered and then noticed people and sighted them up and outomaticly pulled the trigger without remembering a round was chambered either way he should be charged with manslaughter, but if he was by himself at night spotlighting from a car he would have to operate the spot light the steering wheel and the rifle so if he lines up a target with the spot light theres a good time between grabing the rifle and bringing it up then theres time looking through the scope then sqeezing the trigger i cannot for the sake of me work out how a white woman brushing her teeth in the beem of a spot light [so what maybe 1-200 metres] can look like a deer in any way shape or form not to mention she was sitting with half a dozen other people, what a load of crap,

And yes i stalk sambar and have huge respect for them and all animals, i would never ever take a shot at an animal unless i was certain it would die first hit, so when looking through the scope you have to calculate windage, bullet drop, angle of target up or down from where you are [compensate with bullet drop] hitting power of the bullet you are using, i use medium game bullets which mushroom after a few inches after all that on a deer broadside you really should only be shooting for somthing not much larger than a dinner plate around the front shoulders. and ive been laughed at when i pick up sambar dung and sqeeze it for moisture to tell how old it is and i can tell by the curl at the top of the dung which direction it was going in.


And further to that when i went for my gun licence test the sergeant told us everything about hunting in the bush IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET AND IF IN DOUBT DO NOT SHOOT, whats behind the target, place your rounds humanly, never have loaded magizines [im easy on this if they are in my pocket] only load your firearm after you have drawn a bead on the game you have found only after you have positivly idendified it and have checked the background, its not rocket science.

So i say very very very rarely will there be somone shot in the bush by pure accident it almost never happens, however in this case and in almost all cases its criminal negligence always, theres hardly ever and its legaly impossible to shoot someone by mistake,

for instance the Australian media always [herald sun] have have in bold 3 yr old shot by sister or somthing i think wtf is this Australia but never is its somwhere in the U.S and i think hows this our news but what has happened is some wacker has left a pistol on the coffee table loaded for the kids to get and its called an accident to blemish all shooters across the entire world, but its not an accident IT NEVER IS, ITS NEGLIGENCE.

good for you gollstar....squeeze and fondle as much poo as you want mate but remember, if it's near Hill End it could be mine

The unwritten rule and even common sence says, finger off and NEVER squeeze the trigger until you have identified your target.
Never squeeze off a shot unless you know where that bullet may land if you miss either

Bloody all too right, when in the bush ill lend my mate my sportco magizine fed bolt action 12 ga shottie and ill have a mauser up front or a .22 depending on what we are looking for and safety is paramount im not joking at all when i say i turn randomly and ask to inspect the gun he's holding to see if its clear and i encourage him to do the same to me, he shows me his gun and i show him mine[ doesnt sound right i know hey] scratches head, anyway i couldnt live with myself if i tripped and blew my friends head off because it wouldnt be an accident it would be my fault no two ways about it, never ever load your gun until you have sighted your target calculated inform who your with and make sure they know whats going on, then load a round from the top, line up and good hunting.

1 sambar can pull $500 bucks at the butcher if you can get it there fresh or that used to be the going rate.

"Murder or Manslaughter simple as that" you say gollstar, cut and dried.

Tell me what are the circumstances surrounding the unfortunate passing of this young lady, was it raining, windy, clear sky's, half light, pitch black.

What type of weapon was this 25yr old using, did it have a scope, was it a multi power, what type of spotlight was he using?? how many candle power? how far out was the shot 20 50 200 300 mtrs.

Was the women standing by a stream, kneeling by a stream, or just brushing her teeth whilst holding a water bottle, was she facing toward the shooter or back to the shooter what type of clothing was she wearing, did she have a hat on?

Where does it say she was sitting with half a dozen people....please provide a link!!

"I can tell by the curl at the top of the dung which direction it was going in" Well i have heard it all now!!

What if she / he has done it's business turned around or gone right or left .....do you go back to the marbles to check the settings

"Simple as that".....fill me in on the details if you will gollstar??

Identify your target before pulling the trigger, oh i see somthing so ill shoot it, not good enough, lets see a human and a deer i can see how similer they are kind of but not really, so what your saying is he couldnt really see what the hell he was shooting at and it could have been a deer, if he was positive it was a deer how come it turned out to be a lady brushing her teeth, cant see how it could have happened if he did everything right, where abouts on the deer was he aiming for exactly.


"she was shot on Friday night"

"The hunter was illegally "spot-lighting" and shooting on public land"

"It was a "terrible accident" that tarnished the reputation of all hunters"

"Ms Ives and her partner were camping alongside four people from Wellington and another four backpackers from the Czech Republic"

It was a friday night i doubt the lady moved to far away from camp just to brush her teeth

http://www.3news.co.nz/Funeral-for-teacher-shot-by-hunter-held-today/tabid/423/articleID/183448/Default.aspx

What are the chances that they are both aged 25

accidents can and do happen just some can be avoided and i do feel abit sorry for the hunter but its a hobby/sport that just cant afford any more bad light shone on it, and if people are going to get shot while brushing there teeth on a camping trip its not going to look very good, i dont think he should be charged with murder and maybe not do much jail time [i was para the other night when i first commented on this topic which im working on] but remember if your doing 5-10 over the speed limit in Australia and you run somone over or crash and kill somone you will go to jail ever though you never ment to hurt anyone,

Anyway this story is a lose/lose situation for all i hope it never happens again.

"so what your saying is he couldn't really see what the hell he was shooting at and it could have been a deer"

NO i am saying......I do not know the underlying facts so i will reserve judgment!!!

Wednesday is the court hearing lets wait until all the facts are presented before passing judgment.

Ok that does sound fair, i get your point, i was a bit of an asshole, a bit.

its just everytime some nuff nuff does somthing stupid with a gun somwhere in the world it goes global front page news, particuly Australian media, who always have to have a large picture of .45 colt and the word shooting blazzened across the picture and then at first you think what/where and you click on it and one persons been shot in some hick town in the mid west united states and then i think what the hell hows this news for Australia whats going on, see theres not enough gun crime or even accidents in Australia so they have to poach the storys from over seas, its a total crock.

I positively identified my target on a very tragic outing many moons ago, and sent my victim to the four winds.

Was doing the usual afternoon dog meat run, but this arvo I only had the shotty as my 22 magnum was out of ammo.

Off to one of my usual spots to see if any bunnies would come out to play when the need to pee was upon me, so answering the call of nature I walked behind a tree, now this is scary, and till this day I have no idea why when I was the only one there....walked behind a tree to carry out the task at hand?? never mind!
On finishing up a thought passed me by about another spot that was a little closer and the decision was made to go that way. So with the gun slung over the shoulder it was onward we marched, but was soon stopped dead in my tracks, a little backward bent as my legs took a poofteenth more time to pull up then did the rest of my body, I put this down to the fact that ones legs are much further away from the control box than the rest of your limbs, and the signal to ALTO, takes longer to register at that distance. Not another step was taken as the terror of what I faced, was now sharing my personal oxygen, the grip it had on my face was like that of a giants hand and the pressure from this was horrific and I felt as if my back would break should my legs want to question my authority and pinch an inch.
Terrified and near shitten myself I reeled back and with one swift motion had the shotty in the face of my adversary and without a second thought...pulled off a round and sent that demon to the powers that be to sort him out.

But before this happened, and whilst that beast had its grip on me, there came a moment in time a swear I heard the demon speak to me while we were sharing oxygen, and sounded to me like it said......back up arshole!!

The orb weaver spider is a cunning creature, don't mess with it, send it to hell like I did!!

I just clicked on your sexy women link, rickrolled
Im going to have to do a cc scan to clean out the history just for nothing.

glutten ha ha.

gollstar wrote: I just clicked on your sexy women link, rickrolled
Im going to have to do a cc scan to clean out the history just for nothing.

glutten ha ha.

S m o k e n!!

Update on the fatal shooting in NZ...Remanded on bail till 18th November.

Some facts now surfaced!

I feel for this young man and his family....a grave error of judgment was made, does one destroy three more lives.....i don't know, justice must be meted out but in what form.??

Happy i am not the presiding judge.

Link:
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/man-due-in-court-over-hunting-fatality-3876317?ref=rss

Edit: Not at all diminishing the fact that a family has lost a loved one, my condolences to the family.

Gday


I often wonder why people find it necessary to shoot for sport, how sporting is it to shoot at an animal that does not have a clue whats going on and its just trying to get on with living, and how sporting is it to chase down an animal and shoot it several times before you kill it, people who do this sort of thing need to put themselves in the shoes (or hoofs) of the animal they do this to and get a taste of what it like to get hunted down, and experience the terror that they feel, bet they wouldnt find it so sporting if they did.

Have no issue with animals being shot for food as this is the way of the world, but I hate to see animals killed for sport and left for the flies, its easy to be big and brave when you have a gun under your arm but its not so much fun when the quarry shoots back at you though.

I feel that there are far too many people out there with licences for guns that shouldnt be having them, I have seen some first class nitwits myself and I am not at all surprised that people are getting shot, I am only surprised that it does not happen more often, its one thing to shoot at something you can see but for some reason they dont realise that if they miss that target then the round will continue on until it either hits something else or runs out of puff and hits the ground, the something else may be an innocent detector operator or some poor sod brushing their teeth.

On a previous post I told how we had rounds go past us while camped up and that is the second time it happened in that particular spot, the first time I was detecting and if I had been hit anywhere anywhere important and being on my own and a hundred klm from a hospital I would have been a statistic myself, on confronting the shooter all he said was that he was shooting at a roo, thats fine I said to him but 15 mins before that he and his mates were stopped talking to me and knew I was there detecting but didnt have the grey matter to realise that shooting at a roo in the same direction as me might have resulted in me being shot as well

Once that round leaves the chamber you have no control as to where it goes and the higher the power of the rifle the further it will go, obviously more education is needed for shooters to make them aware of this fact.

cheers

stayyerAU

Yes stayyerAU,
I could not agree more especially as to just how far a bullet will travel .
We owened a 250 acre property which adjoined our uncles 200 acres, both all the country was medium blady greass forrest, my uncles house was about half a mile from ours.
I shall never forget one morning I heard this buzzing sort of sound like a big beetle coming towards me and then past, a second so later I herd the faint sound of the rifle.

Uncle had shot at a wallaby,the .22 missed but the bullett had bounced its way through all the timber and past me.
Regarding highpower like the 22 hornet for instance, I was initally very concerned about that rifle until I saw the result of using soft point in it… We set up a target that happened to have a couple of thin blades of grass in front of it, two shots were fired at the target but all that hit the target was fine holes like pepper or sugar, the soft point exploded on contact with the blades of grass, however I believe the solid slugs would keep on going until hitting something solid.

During Later years I also used various sized rifles, shot many scrub turkeys for the pot, shot a few brumbies etc but eventually saw enough wounded birds and animals and road side signes shot to pieces to change my thoughts about firearms entirely to the point of agreeing with the politions when they banned a lot of them.

Ron

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Not particularly an opinion on anything, but someone told me once that
"you never hear the shot that kills you..." It always stuck with me.


Flak

Well the truth is hunting and target shooting are one of the most safest sports/hobbies in Australia ive read all the statistics and all that junk and all it does is point out that in the real world hunting would be more safer than taking up horse riding like it or not thats the truth, more people die riding motor bikes in the bush than with hunting accidents, on the target ranges in Australia i know that believe it or not there has never been a death or a theft of a gun from springvale shooting range, people killed from a bullet leaving the grounds of the range NILL nadar its just not there ounce in a rainbow moon somthing does happen and its blown way way out of preportion like front page news, when people are dropping like flies from grog and smoking ciggies, hospital waithing list, you,ve got more chance of going out to dinner in the city and getting killed by a fist than of being shot in the bush,

i would like to ask this, for many years since the early 80's prospectors have been sharing the bush with shooters and serious how many have been hit, im not sugesting its never happened but would like to know if its ever happened .

Goldstalker.....308 Good for 7km......Gee that is cracking!!!!!!!!

Another thing with regards the distance a bullet can travel, if a hunter is aiming at a target about 300 metres away which is supposed to be to far to hunt with [humanly] you have to adjust the sight to allow for bullet drop because when a bullet comes out particuly the big heavy ones come out high for the first 100 or so metres then start dropping inches for every 100 metres or so, then after however many metres,yards,feet the drop becomes much more rapid, so what im saying is a 308 may travel a few k's if its intended to travel that far like pointing the barrel so the bullet comes out in a really high arc but apart from that if your aiming for a kangaroos chest or somthing and the chest is 1.3 metres high and 200 hunderd metres away that bullet would no doubts hit the ground before reaching 1000 m unless your on a large hill, and the bullet will travel further,

For shots over 800-1000 metres and beyond you need to be able to work out the drop of the bullet to be able to hit anything and gpx that canadian sniper had a very expensive ballistic computer with range finder the computer, it calculates humidity, windspeed, bullet drop, distance etc then gives you a solution, you can buy that one here with the computer and that but you might not get much change from an 8 or 10 ozer.

Heres a youtube vid of somone shooting a 50.cal bmg at god knows what looks like a hill only a few hundred metres away and it comes back hits the ground and then his head or his earmuffs, thankfully he walked away, albet a little shocked and most likely a stunning headache.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

and you could certainly hear it comming like a train. they said no more iron so they where shooting at thick metal plate to see how far the .50 would punch through, nuts.

Nice vid gollstar, i like that, ive fired 50 cals before on a mates farm through old ford engine blocks, amazing power, noice and blast, great fun untill neigbours called the cops and stopped the fun, they must of thought world war three had started.

My gf and a couple of her friends wanted to go to nz for a bit of a tour and that, jump off bridges etc i would have spent some time down at gun city auckland without a doubt i probarly would get my nz gun licence and see about hiring somthing for a day or so, lucky buggers over there.

full automan in glenfield has a 50cal, i know several guys who have dealers and collectors licences so can pretty much shoot anything, but its a bit more restricted than what im making out. I met you in tarnagulla last year with my mate jim, thanks again for meeting us and showing us around a bit.

Have you seen the big hole in the sawpit gully creek i wonder who did that
also hope the car starts by the key nowa days

Yeah hows it going, id say that was when i had to keep hot wiring the car to start, i changed the ignition barrel it was some problem with the so called smart lock, I was wondering how you got on with your plan did you reach bottom or any layers of wash any big nuggets ? or did you give up and go to the pub,

Also to be honest if your going to come back to Australia looking for gold just take direct flight to W.A this small limited ground has done its dash until theres a detector that can punch down a bit deeper, thats not saying theres none to be found but they are few and far between in the well thrashed historicly rich ground.

i think the car required a blowey to start, ha haha. yep wa seems like it still holds some secrets.
regards the big huge mf hole we dug in sawpit, got bottom, searched around abit, then got a bute signal under the hard red clay layer. that hard layer put pay to axe, we dug down another foot and a half, total depth was now about 8 feet. that signal was a, huge, awsome, big bute hotrock, the next 30mins the bush was subject to many f**ks, parotts and roos were covering the ears. then remembered to fill our hole, but we would have missed the plane, so left it as a monument to a broken hearted kiwi

but all turned up trumps on the last evening and next morning, 25 bits, all small, biggest was .9. at least we got something for our efforts.

Yeah your right about the starting problem how could i forget , regards the big hot rock you did clean it and crack it open didnt you
I havnt seen your monument but ill go have a look, and see if i can find what went wrong, theres a spot where i can dig and at about 24 inches and pick up nuggets the biggest being 2.5 grams, after digging for a couple of hours i went back to the car to get the detector and went over my small mulluck heap and picked up a gram and in the bottom of the hole there was another one of about 2 grams, i think ive picked up 9 or 10 in a spot no bigger than a car, none were near the gutter of the gully but on higher ground, i suppose its part of the fan of nuggets that shed from the reef thats there.

yep smashed it up and nothing, the spot wasnt that likely, came across other spots later on that were more worthy. check out the hole its on the side of creek bed very near the deep shaft

Update: Andrew Mears now charged with Manslaughter, remanded on bail....sentenced Feb 2nd 2011

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/first-hunting-manslaughter-conviction-30-years-3902334

Its a very hard case a woman 25 has lost her life and this fellow has shot at somthing he says looked like a deer and was a split second mistake, but too add to my earlier comments the manslaughter charchers do seem harsh but for him to kill somone and give ammo to left wing nuff nuffs is pretty bad so the judge is going to decide whether to set him as an example or show some compassion for him, but NZ is really lax on sending people too jail for long terms so he would be looking at three years or so for the lower range of manslaughter if the prosocutor can make the charges stick, and perhaps a jury might not even convict him because of his age, but even it was me that had pulled the trigger id say 1-2 years inside would be fair, being a mistake and all, and he's pleaded guilty to manslaughter so he feels bad,

but also i think the charges should be downgraded and him serve a sentence of 1-2 years, which i think he would think is fair.