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What is this.
Trying to ID this item .
It is a possibly a button, badge. military or a Coat Of Arms? I believe it is swiss or maybe Lithuanian but am not certain.
The shield is 3cm x 3.2cm not inc the sabre handles
It is a possibly a button, badge. military or a Coat Of Arms? I believe it is swiss or maybe Lithuanian but am not certain.
The shield is 3cm x 3.2cm not inc the sabre handles
adrian ss- Contributor Plus
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Re: What is this.
Adrian, given the backer it looks like a lapel pin. I googled 12 XII 1918 and got information below. Similar medals had chains through the sabre handles.
Order of battle, January 1919[edit]
In January 1919, the corps was structured as follows:[13][14]
XII Corps (Anatolia, Konya)
Regards Axtyr.
Order of battle, January 1919[edit]
In January 1919, the corps was structured as follows:[13][14]
XII Corps (Anatolia, Konya)
Regards Axtyr.
Last edited by Axtyr on Thu May 24, 2018 7:27 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Add information.)
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Thanks for the help mate but I still have not pinned this one down yet.
I reckon I have looked thousands of badges, shields, coat of arms insignias n medals etc today but have not found this one yet. One was close but not close enough.
I reckon I have looked thousands of badges, shields, coat of arms insignias n medals etc today but have not found this one yet. One was close but not close enough.
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Hi Adrian
I've got a feeling that it could be Russian and the unit could have been formed to squash the Russian up rising. That was the main reason Russia got out of WW1 because of the up rising that happened in 1918. The bear is normally a Russian cymbal.
wombat
I've got a feeling that it could be Russian and the unit could have been formed to squash the Russian up rising. That was the main reason Russia got out of WW1 because of the up rising that happened in 1918. The bear is normally a Russian cymbal.
wombat
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Thanks Wombat.
Well that opened up another mine field of badges etc but still have not found the elusive one.
Well that opened up another mine field of badges etc but still have not found the elusive one.
adrian ss- Contributor Plus
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Adrian, sometimes the pictures don't come up. Click on the link below, it looks like it is to a Polish auction. Keywords to search are Odznaka, 12 XII 1918, and whatever else might come up in the search.
https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/19-ii-rp-odznaka-77-p-p-ryngraf-12-xii-1918-i7109163110.html
Regards Axtyr.
https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/19-ii-rp-odznaka-77-p-p-ryngraf-12-xii-1918-i7109163110.html
Regards Axtyr.
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Re: What is this.
Translation
Country:
Name:
material:
Weight:
Description:
Second Polish Republic
BADGE 77 PIECHOT BOLT - RYNGRAF 12.XII.1918
Metal in silver and enamel
21.60 g
A great engraving robot. I'm not sure about the originality of the badge. Probably a follower. Dimensions: approx. 45 x 35 mm. This regiment began its history as the Kaunas Rifle Regiment, on October 12, 1921, it was re-assigned to the 77th Infantry Regiment. The regimental badge, signed by the minister of military affairs in February 1922, referred to the tradition of the Polish-Lithuanian union. The badge was worn on a silver chain, hooked behind the handle of two crossed sabers. At the top of the shield are placed the Polish Eagle and Lithuanian Pogoń, and at the bottom of the standing bear - the Samogitian coat of arms. In addition, between these coats of arms inserted in two parts of the date of the regiment formation - 12 XII. 1918 (for: A.Smoliński, Elements of the tradition of the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the infantry of the Polish Army of the Second Polish Republic - UMK).
Country:
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material:
Weight:
Description:
Second Polish Republic
BADGE 77 PIECHOT BOLT - RYNGRAF 12.XII.1918
Metal in silver and enamel
21.60 g
A great engraving robot. I'm not sure about the originality of the badge. Probably a follower. Dimensions: approx. 45 x 35 mm. This regiment began its history as the Kaunas Rifle Regiment, on October 12, 1921, it was re-assigned to the 77th Infantry Regiment. The regimental badge, signed by the minister of military affairs in February 1922, referred to the tradition of the Polish-Lithuanian union. The badge was worn on a silver chain, hooked behind the handle of two crossed sabers. At the top of the shield are placed the Polish Eagle and Lithuanian Pogoń, and at the bottom of the standing bear - the Samogitian coat of arms. In addition, between these coats of arms inserted in two parts of the date of the regiment formation - 12 XII. 1918 (for: A.Smoliński, Elements of the tradition of the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the infantry of the Polish Army of the Second Polish Republic - UMK).
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Thanks Geof. problem solved.
That is great information.
Do you have a link to where I can see a pic of this badge along with the history.
That is great information.
Do you have a link to where I can see a pic of this badge along with the history.
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Adrian.
The link in my last post shows the badge as well as all the information that Geoff has translated from Polish, well done Geoff. Interestingly your badge looks like it has been converted to a lapel pin therefore no chain on the sabre handles. If you can't click on the link then copy and paste it into your web browser.
Regards Axtyr.
The link in my last post shows the badge as well as all the information that Geoff has translated from Polish, well done Geoff. Interestingly your badge looks like it has been converted to a lapel pin therefore no chain on the sabre handles. If you can't click on the link then copy and paste it into your web browser.
Regards Axtyr.
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OK have got that page now.
If this badge has been converted to a lapel pin then it has been very well done. This badge has been worn on a lapel probably because it was less likely to be lost in action than if it was secured with the chain...Maybe???
The sabre's have been removed and the screw post fitted & when the sabres were refitted the silver solder blob on the back at the cross over point of the sabres has not been filed down.
I wonder what the value of this thingy would be??
Metal is silver and anchor screw flange is copper (I think)
On second thoughts I think that this particular badge was originally created as lapel or cap badge because if it had been converted at a later date how could the silver screw post be fitted without damaging the enamel??
Very interesting item
If this badge has been converted to a lapel pin then it has been very well done. This badge has been worn on a lapel probably because it was less likely to be lost in action than if it was secured with the chain...Maybe???
The sabre's have been removed and the screw post fitted & when the sabres were refitted the silver solder blob on the back at the cross over point of the sabres has not been filed down.
I wonder what the value of this thingy would be??
Metal is silver and anchor screw flange is copper (I think)
On second thoughts I think that this particular badge was originally created as lapel or cap badge because if it had been converted at a later date how could the silver screw post be fitted without damaging the enamel??
Very interesting item
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adrian ss- Contributor Plus
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Very interesting Adrian.
I agree with it being original, it's too clean a finish. I was expecting just a pin instead of the screw so it is definitely more secure that way.
Regards Axtyr.
I agree with it being original, it's too clean a finish. I was expecting just a pin instead of the screw so it is definitely more secure that way.
Regards Axtyr.
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Axtyr wrote:Adrian.
The link in my last post shows the badge as well as all the information that Geoff has translated from Polish, well done Geoff. Interestingly your badge looks like it has been converted to a lapel pin therefore no chain on the sabre handles. If you can't click on the link then copy and paste it into your web browser.
Regards Axtyr.
You are 100% correct Axtyr thanks for your link.
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So this badge is worth around 50.00 AUD...........Or zip if nobody wants one.
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