What is this.

Go down

What is this. Empty What is this.

Post  adrian ss on Thu May 24, 2018 9:37 am

Trying to ID this item .
It is a possibly a button, badge.  military or a Coat Of Arms? I believe it is swiss or maybe Lithuanian but am not certain.
  The shield is 3cm x 3.2cm not inc the sabre handles

What is this. Rscn3614

What is this. Rscn3615

What is this. Rscn3616

What is this. Rscn3617

What is this. Rscn3618
adrian ss
adrian ss
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 1985
Age : 72
Registration date : 2015-07-03

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  Axtyr on Thu May 24, 2018 7:25 pm

Adrian, given the backer it looks like a lapel pin. I googled 12 XII 1918 and got information below. Similar medals had chains through the sabre handles.

Order of battle, January 1919[edit]

In January 1919, the corps was structured as follows:[13][14]
XII Corps (Anatolia, Konya)


Regards Axtyr.


Last edited by Axtyr on Thu May 24, 2018 7:27 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Add information.)

Axtyr
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 529
Registration date : 2014-01-20

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  adrian ss on Thu May 24, 2018 11:59 pm

Thanks for the help mate but I still have not pinned this one down yet.
I reckon I have looked  thousands of badges, shields, coat of arms insignias n medals etc today but have not found this one yet. One was close but not close enough.
What is this. F9f49f10

What is this. Rscn3619
adrian ss
adrian ss
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 1985
Age : 72
Registration date : 2015-07-03

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  Wombat on Fri May 25, 2018 8:40 am

Hi Adrian
I've got a feeling that it could be Russian and the unit could have been formed to squash the Russian up rising. That was the main reason Russia got out of WW1 because of the up rising that happened in 1918. The bear is normally a Russian cymbal.
wombat Wink

_________________
" All Men Are Fools, But A Wise Man Knows He Is "
What is this. Pbucket
Wombat
Wombat
Management

Number of posts : 4546
Age : 73
Registration date : 2009-01-30

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  adrian ss on Fri May 25, 2018 9:25 am

Thanks Wombat.
Well that opened up another mine field of badges etc but still have not found the elusive one. scratch study
adrian ss
adrian ss
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 1985
Age : 72
Registration date : 2015-07-03

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  Axtyr on Sat May 26, 2018 4:17 pm

Adrian, sometimes the pictures don't come up. Click on the link below, it looks like it is to a Polish auction. Keywords to search are Odznaka, 12 XII 1918, and whatever else might come up in the search.

https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/19-ii-rp-odznaka-77-p-p-ryngraf-12-xii-1918-i7109163110.html

Regards Axtyr.


Last edited by Axtyr on Sat May 26, 2018 4:18 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Update information.)

Axtyr
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 529
Registration date : 2014-01-20

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  geof_junk on Sat May 26, 2018 7:06 pm

Translation

Country:
Name:
material:
Weight:
Description:
Second Polish Republic
BADGE 77 PIECHOT BOLT - RYNGRAF 12.XII.1918
Metal in silver and enamel
21.60 g
A great engraving robot. I'm not sure about the originality of the badge. Probably a follower. Dimensions: approx. 45 x 35 mm. This regiment began its history as the Kaunas Rifle Regiment, on October 12, 1921, it was re-assigned to the 77th Infantry Regiment. The regimental badge, signed by the minister of military affairs in February 1922, referred to the tradition of the Polish-Lithuanian union. The badge was worn on a silver chain, hooked behind the handle of two crossed sabers. At the top of the shield are placed the Polish Eagle and Lithuanian Pogoń, and at the bottom of the standing bear - the Samogitian coat of arms. In addition, between these coats of arms inserted in two parts of the date of the regiment formation - 12 XII. 1918 (for: A.Smoliński, Elements of the tradition of the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the infantry of the Polish Army of the Second Polish Republic - UMK).
geof_junk
geof_junk
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 692
Registration date : 2008-11-11

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  adrian ss on Sat May 26, 2018 8:15 pm

Thanks Geof. problem solved.
That is great information.
Do you have a link to where I can see a pic of this badge along with the history.
adrian ss
adrian ss
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 1985
Age : 72
Registration date : 2015-07-03

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  Axtyr on Sun May 27, 2018 7:45 am

Adrian.

The link in my last post shows the badge as well as all the information that Geoff has translated from Polish, well done Geoff. Interestingly your badge looks like it has been converted to a lapel pin therefore no chain on the sabre handles. If you can't click on the link then copy and paste it into your web browser.

Regards Axtyr.

Axtyr
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 529
Registration date : 2014-01-20

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  adrian ss on Sun May 27, 2018 9:26 am

OK have got that page now.
If this badge has been converted to a lapel pin then it has been very well done. This badge has been worn on a lapel probably because it was less likely to be lost in action than if it was secured with the chain...Maybe???
The sabre's have been removed and the screw post fitted & when the sabres were refitted the silver solder blob on the back at the cross over point of the sabres has not been filed down.
I wonder what the value of this thingy would be??
Metal is silver and anchor screw flange is copper (I think)

On second thoughts I think that this particular badge was originally created as lapel or cap badge because if it had been converted at a later date how could the silver screw post be fitted without damaging the enamel??

Very interesting item

What is this. Rscn3710


Last edited by adrian ss on Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 pm; edited 1 time in total
adrian ss
adrian ss
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 1985
Age : 72
Registration date : 2015-07-03

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  Axtyr on Sun May 27, 2018 5:52 pm

Very interesting Adrian.

I agree with it being original, it's too clean a finish. I was expecting just a pin instead of the screw so it is definitely more secure that way.

Regards Axtyr.

Axtyr
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 529
Registration date : 2014-01-20

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  geof_junk on Sun May 27, 2018 7:54 pm

Axtyr wrote:Adrian.

The link in my last post shows the badge as well as all the information that Geoff has translated from Polish, well done Geoff. Interestingly your badge looks like it has been converted to a lapel pin therefore no chain on the sabre handles. If you can't click on the link then copy and paste it into your web browser.

Regards Axtyr.

You are 100% correct Axtyr thanks for your link.
geof_junk
geof_junk
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 692
Registration date : 2008-11-11

Back to top Go down

What is this. Empty Re: What is this.

Post  adrian ss on Sun May 27, 2018 8:30 pm

So this badge is worth around 50.00 AUD...........Or zip if nobody wants one. Laughing
adrian ss
adrian ss
Contributor Plus
Contributor Plus

Number of posts : 1985
Age : 72
Registration date : 2015-07-03

Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum