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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:41 pm

I have been detecting since the late 1970s and in that time I must have purchased and sold 50 detectors.
These days I only prospect during the cooler months.
My modus operandi is to purchase a detector S/H about now, use it for about 6 months and then sell it when
it hots up.
I have been doing this for the past few years.
This way I lose little if anything in depreciation.
Anyway, I have been negotiating with a gumtree seller to buy a GPZ7000.
All was going well until I asked him for his home address so I could come and buy it.
He refused to provide it instead he asked to do the transaction at the local IGA supermarket.
Well naturally I refused and told him that the deal was off and that I thought
he was selling fake or stolen goods.
My question is did I overreact?
In all my years of buying detectors, I have never been asked to meet like this.
I would feel like I was going to buy drugs


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Post  adrian ss on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:50 pm

Was he offering Click & Collect?
I have not used Click & Collect yet but many people do. You need to decide on that before you start bidding. If you decide to go with click and collect then it is the buyer who chooses where/ which C&C store his item is sent to for collection. It must be a store that participates in C&C.

Ebay want C&C to work, so give customer support a ring and they will tell you all about it.
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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:15 pm

No, Adrian, this was on Gumtree, not eBay.
I first started getting uneasy when he mentioned that he was missing some of the gear (chargers )
He claims he has got the dealer receipt, but these are easy to forge, and his reason for meeting at the IGA
is because he doesn't want strangers in his house.



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Post  adrian ss on Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:38 pm

OK fair enough.
Maybe he will bring it to your place. I have delivered detectors directly to the buyer when they have been local.
I don't like people I do not know coming to my house to pick up items I have sold on ebay. Just my preference. I did do it once and the missus nearly took my head off.Laughing
I guess if you and the seller have had the transaction cancelled. then there is nothing to worry about.

The seller cannot change the deal after the sale. You bid for what is listed and if after the auction ends the seller says that some stuff is not available then you can legally end the transaction if you wish too......Well you can on Ebay, I do not know about Gumtree.
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Post  Dig24crt on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:07 pm

Hi
Its perfectly reasonable to pick up and pay at the sellers house.Gear being missing is also a concern.Usually gut feeling is right on these matters.Wise to be wary
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Post  Dig24crt on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:21 pm

If its the one advertised in Melbourne pick up Bellerine Geelong.If your lived there you would know how to spell it properly. BellArine.
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Post  adrian ss on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:36 pm

I guess I am not very trusting. I will never allow an Ebay buyer or seller into my house unless I know them.
It is possible that a lapse in judgement is what resulted in my gold bug ans other tecting stuff being swiped out of my car while in my driveway.
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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:08 pm

Dig24crt wrote:If its the one advertised in Melbourne pick up Bellerine Geelong.If your lived there you would know how to spell it properly. BellArine.
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No Dig24crt, this is a totally different advertiser, that one I would not touch with a long stick.
I don't want to give too much information on this seller to identify him, in case he is legit.
And yes, you are right, surely it is not too much to ask the seller that you pick up from their residence,
especially when the deal involves nearly $8,000 cash.

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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:28 pm

adrian ss wrote:I guess I am not very trusting. I will never allow an eBay buyer or seller into my house unless I know them.
It is possible that a lapse in judgement is what resulted in my gold bug ans other tecting stuff being swiped out of my car while in my driveway.
'adrian ss" I get where you are coming from 'but' why would you list the 7000 on Gumtree and offer people inspections,
if you did not want people coming to your house to see the detector.
Where was he expecting people to inspect his detector, also at the car park of his local IGA?
Why not just list it on eBay and then post!
Also, if I was to allow him to deliver the detector, how do I know if he lives at the address on the receipt
and is the rightful owner?

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Post  Dig24crt on Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:29 pm

Fair enough, you also need to turn it on and make sure it works.IGA is not the place for that.If you got a dud machine and a phone number Im pretty sure it wont answer.8k is a lot to lose , your way or the highway.Good Luck
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Post  phoenix on Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:45 pm

Mate if you`re talking about paying 8 k for a second hand detector, the 7000 is only 9.4k new, I`d be very surprised if you couldnt get a 2nd hand one from a reputable Minelab dealer for 8k or less. Three shops that immediately spring to mind are Coiltek in Maryborough, JP`s shop up in Queensland and Qld Sandy`s shop also in Queensland. Another one, I once bought a 2nd hand 4000 from Goanna Gold in New South, no problems what so ever      I wouldn`t touch "Mr I`ll meet you at the local supermarket" with a barge pole.
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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:21 pm

phoenix wrote:Mate if you`re talking about paying 8 k for a second hand detector, the 7000 is only 9.4k new, I`d be very surprised if you couldnt get a 2nd hand one from a reputable Minelab dealer for 8k or less. Three shops that immediately spring to mind are Coiltek in Maryborough, JP`s shop up in Queensland and Qld Sandy`s shop also in Queensland. Another one, I once bought a 2nd hand 4000 from Goanna Gold in New South, no problems what so ever I wouldn`t touch "Mr I`ll meet you at the local supermarket" with a barge pole.
"phoenix", I am rather fussy when it comes to second-hand detectors.
I like to buy one owner detectors which are only a few months old and certainly not more than a year old.
I also like to buy one that has only been used with protective covers and is near new condition.
that does not leave much to choose from.
I have had a look at some of the dealer stock from time to time but most of them look like they
have been in a war zone.
Also, if you are savvy you can purchase a brand new one on eBay for$9199.
But don't tell anyone Wink it is supposed to be a trade secret.

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Post  UNCLE BOB on Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:11 pm

I will second that what Phoenix had said about buying from a Minelab dealer.
You also get dealer warranty.
You also get to test it out before buying.
I have dealt with Coiltek @ Maryborough in Victoria.
Great to deal with.
You need to ring them for used detectors, as they are always coming and going.
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Post  Wombat on Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:14 pm

Freddy if he is saying that some of the gear is missing, would get me suspicious right from the word go. I would be asking for the serial number and check it with Minelab, just to make sure it was not stolen. Something smells with this deal.  Evil or Very Mad
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Post  deutran on Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:34 pm

Freddy just buy a new one and you will recoup when you sell it 6 months later as it will be a 1 owner(with all the parts)you can ask top dollar.
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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:49 pm

UNCLE BOB wrote:I will second that what Phoenix had said about buying from a Minelab dealer.
You also get dealer warranty.
You also get to test it out before buying.
I have dealt with Coiltek @ Maryborough in Victoria.
Great to deal with.
You need to ring them for used detectors, as they are always coming and going.
I agree with you Uncle Tom, that buying from a Minelab dealer is the safest option.
If I was still employed that is probably the way I would go.
Unfortunately, I have been unemployable for quite a number of years due to disability.
I have disk bulge/sciatica courtesy of working on the assembly line at Toyota for nearly 20 years.
So money is tight and I have to do what I can to save a bit of money.

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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:00 pm

Wombat wrote:Freddy if he is saying that some of the gear is missing, would get me suspicious right from the word go. I would be asking for the serial number and check it with Minelab, just to make sure it was not stolen. Something smells with this deal. Evil or Very Mad
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Wombat, I am not sure I want to waste any more time with this seller, by trying to get the serial number of him.
Even if he did provide me with this information, how do I know it is real and not copied from some other detector as I don't know his address.
Yes, I think I better leave this one alone, it does not pass the smell test.

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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:09 pm

deutran wrote:Freddy just buy a new one and you will recoup when you sell it 6 months later as it will be a 1 owner(with all the parts)you can ask top dollar.
Ha Ha "deuteron" If only that was the case.
A 6-month old Gpz 7000 is currently strugling to sell for $8000 with $400 extras.
I would be $1200 out of pocket minimum if I purchased a new one now and
resold it in 6 months time.

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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:17 pm

Nightjar wrote:Maybe Freddy Dazzler should be just left to his own devices, after all he has bought & sold 70 detectors in his detecting years.
Why is he asking advice here?????????
I'll leave it at that or Kon will be jumping all over me. Very Happy



Nightjar, I am asking because i value other peoples advice.
I thought I might be a bit backwards, in my way of thinking that this
sellers behaviour was a bit strange.
If you have nothing constructive to add, why reply?

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Post  phoenix on Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:32 pm

Freddy Dazzler wrote:
"phoenix", I am rather fussy when it comes to second-hand detectors.
I like to buy one owner detectors which are only a few months old and certainly not more than a year old.
"Freddy Dazzler" I agree 110% with this. Buy the one on Gumtree, sounds like a good deal to me.
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Post  Kon61gold on Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:27 pm

G'day Freddy Dazzler

My view on this matter & please don't take offence at what I'm about to say, for it is only my opinion, upon reading what you have said. Sounds like some mumbo jumbo going on here between both parties concerned.
Sounds like a deal was struck between buyer/seller, prior to you asking to have the detector picked up & paid for in person, from the sellers home address, for If the sellers intentions were not to deal from his personal place of residency from the start & you had no intention of paying a s**t load of money up front for a "pig in the sack" , then no amount of money offered would have made this transaction plausible, meaning "Exit, stage left" Shocked Look elsewhere.
Now just because you have never experienced something like this before, doesn't automatically mean that the seller is a con-artist, for things like (although less common) do happen & the seller has every right to tell you so, or deal in this manner, as much as you have the right to reject the whole deal.
Unless you are absolutely sure of a sellers past reputation, the seller cannot be condemned of any criminal intention, prior to a transaction exchanging hands or of having taken place.
If you believe the whole transaction sounds suss, after thoroughly questioning the seller, pack your bags & move on to the next.

Cheers Kon. T25

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Post  UNCLE BOB on Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:41 pm

Freddy Dazzler wrote:
UNCLE BOB wrote:I will second that what Phoenix had said about buying from a Minelab dealer.
You also get dealer warranty.
You also get to test it out before buying.
I have dealt with Coiltek @ Maryborough in Victoria.
Great to deal with.
You need to ring them for used detectors, as they are always coming and going.
I agree with you Uncle Tom, that buying from a Minelab dealer is the safest option.
If I was still employed that is probably the way I would go.
Unfortunately, I have been unemployable for quite a number of years due to disability.
I have disk bulge/sciatica courtesy of working on the assembly line at Toyota for nearly 20 years.
So money is tight and I have to do what I can to save a bit of money.

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Post  Kon61gold on Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:54 pm

Freddy Dazzler, i will not be dragged into a an unnecessary feud between the opinions of each member. If things continue in a derogatory manner, I will be forced to lock up this thread. Actually I'v changed my mind, for i see where it is heading. This thread is now locked.

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